Please can leavers please tell me how Brexit will benefit us?

[DaveGrohlsMuse]

Whenever this is asked mid-thread, it's never answered. There's plenty of information out there about how the UK had benefited from membership, but I really struggle to find info on how it's had a negative impact.
So in Jan 2021, once the transition period is over and we actually start to see the impact of the decision, what will improve? How will yours, and mine, and the general population's lives improve?

In the absence of a crystal ball, no-one can answer your question. We will have to wait and see.

"We know what we voted for"

Whenever this is asked mid-thread, it's never answered never mind mid-thread, I've never seen it answered anywhere - mumsnet, facebook, twitter, TV news, features, interviews, Parliament, EU parliament, politicians, people I know, people I don't know, online, in print, in person, vox pops, nowhere nowhere nowhere.
Anyone find a decent answer let me know.
But I will not hold any breaths.

You'll be waiting a long time.
I've seen similar threads and it's like tumble weed.......

@SilverySurfer but people must have had some idea when they made the decision that we'd be better off out?

Why do you want to know all of the millions of reasons?Will that change anything?Would you thank them for any considered response or would you year into them as you don't agree.
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The answer is that it won't benefit us. But people will feel better about the things that annoy them about the EU. It's not about benefits, it's about feels.

So they'll feel better. The rest of us will stay pissed off because we've lost rights and freedoms we valued.

The closest I have received to a proper answer from the Brexiteers I know IRL is "I thought it was for the best". No expansion on that. Then they changed the subject.

I was a bit gobsmacked as I had assumed they were Remainers They have a house in Spain and are always going down there, complete with their dog.

Why do you want to know all of the millions of reasons?Will that change anything

Because, although I'll still disagree, at least I'll know there was some joined up thinking. All we seem to hear are tabloid soundbites which aren't accurate.

And who knows, maybe an articulate, reasoned answer might make me rethink my viewpoint? I'm normally a pretty reasonable person.

Even if it's personal reasons it would help us to understand their viewpoint. It does t have to be a reason that applies to millions of others.

I voted remain due to education, research, and healthcare. I was ignorant at the time of all the other reasons but those were my personal reasons. Since the vote I am bloody worried about NI and lots of other things.

It's a culture war. Brexit is a backlash against multi culturalism, cooperation and liberal democracy. Instead it favours nationalism and "tradition". Thats what brexiteers that lean further to the right want. Economic arguments don't really figure because to them it was never about being richer or poorer.

I imagine alot of casual leave voters are dismayed by how things have panned out even if they could cobble a few arguments together about laws and sovereignty.

A new thread with this title (or something similar) gets started about once a week on MN. I'm not sure why you think this will be different from any of the hundreds of previous threads.

@TheHagOnTheHill because it might help me understand. I'm assuming people voted leave because the alternative to the status quo would be better, that Brexit would bring benefits. But I've yet to see anyone actually explain what those benefits will be. So I'd like someone to do that.

It's not all about me.

I voted Leave because I think the EU is structurally and economically unsound, utterly and completely resistant to change, lacking in transparency, possibly even corrupt, and ultimately will collapse.

And I have posted to that effect before, under different names, and been ignored or disbelieved.

These two can answer your question, OP:
www.facebook.com/BrexitBrits/videos/119483139416543/

For starters we will be getting a unicorn per family and they will pave the streets with gold.

Watching this thread with interest...

@Arkadas that video is hilarious, pretty much sums up Brexit!

In summary no one can actually tell you what benefits it will bring 🙈

@Jellycatfox skittles will also appear at the end of every rainbow, along with the pots of gold.

I have never seen an answer to that question op and I don’t think you’ll get one here either!

MarySidney

Thanks. I do agree it needs reform but still think we're better in.

I also think our own government is lacking in transparency, possibly even corrupt. As are many, I suspect

You wouldn’t understand. It has been explained many many times; sometimes eloquently, sometimes less eloquently. Each time extreme Remainers pretend (I hope) not to understand basic concepts of democracy, community, self-determination etc. They use patronising language in a thinly veiled attempt to disguise their hatred for the working class who dared demand, when asked, for authority to be returned. Many extreme remainers are concerned about being financially better off by a specified about by a specified date; as though remaining in the EU would have provided this.
Meanwhile, I’m the real world, most people who voted remain are able to understand that Leave won. Won the referendum, won the EU elections, won the general election. Won. And sensible remainers are embarrassed by attempts to thwart the democratic outcome of the election. Those extreme remainers who claim that they have never heard an argument for Brexit that they can understand either need to be honest with themselves or accept that they are not capable of understanding.

If you start from the assumption that everyone cited in the basis of financial gain you start from the wrong place. Ideological reasons, beliefs about how governance should be, what governance should be are just as valid as financial reasons.

So for example, someone votes to leave because they strongly believe that organisation of the EU as a political entity is flawed and long term we would be best served by removing ourselves from the system while the option is there to do so, despite the negative aspects of that decision. It's a valid reason.

This generally waved around commentary that "brexit voters suggest leaving would be all flowers, rainbows and pots of gold" is naive.

All leavers I know thought it would be bloody difficult but worth it in the long term as they believe that the EU as is can't be sustained and will ultimately collapse. That we are better out before that happens, in a controlled way, in spite of the immediate negatives.

@MarySidney Thank you for answering. So from that, how do you see us fairing better on the outside looking in, than on the inside with a voice and a vote therefore some power to change it? I'm not being goady, it's a genuine question.

I voted remain.

Those I know who voted to leave and have given me a reason, have told me it was to stop the influx of immigrants, who are filling our schools, using our NHS taking our warehouse jobs and claiming out benefits. We will benefit because there will be more for us. Yes, food prices and might rise slightly, and the exchange rate won't be great, but that's only temporary and in a few years things will be back to normal. The plus is that we won't be over run by Romanians. Yay! So it will be easier to get a doctors appointment and a school place.

At least one person I know who holds this view was an Irish immigrant in the '60's.

Most leave voters seem to have voted for Brexit because they felt threatened and insecure.