Please can leavers please tell me how Brexit will benefit us?

[DaveGrohlsMuse]

Whenever this is asked mid-thread, it's never answered. There's plenty of information out there about how the UK had benefited from membership, but I really struggle to find info on how it's had a negative impact.
So in Jan 2021, once the transition period is over and we actually start to see the impact of the decision, what will improve? How will yours, and mine, and the general population's lives improve?

And yet Scottish independence is the most wonderful thing on earth according to MN.

Freedom from an ever expanding budget, from people who do nothing but talk.
While given massive food drink and accommodation budgets, screwing Belgium out of taxes, on over inflated pay cheques.
Spending millions on Frances farming schemes while pricing ours out of existence.
Joining has meant we have little industry in the UK.
Things need to change.

No it isn't.

Oil wasn't traded in dollars till the 1970s, yet US downturns prior to that had an effect of the world economy.

Why when China has a down turn does the rest of the world get effected too?

What particular freedom do you mean? Could it be the freedom to live and work in any one of 31 countries?

Most of my last 30 years has been working outside the EU. A UK passport has never prevented me from being able to obtain work and resident permits.

Seriously, the majority of the UK population does not want or need the opportunity to work in one of 31 countries.

I was a staunch remainer. Economics aside, I believe the EU is the best and most successful peace project in the history of Europe.

However, I do not buy that all leavers are thick racists. Yes, the thick racists pretty much all voted leave. I bet they all drink coffee too. Doesn’t mean all coffee drinkers are thick racists, just like all leave voters are not thick racists.

I saw this the other day, can’t remember where but I thought it summed things up quite nicely:

those not flourishing within the status quo had no good reason to vote for it

A lot of people are hoping that competition for traditional working class jobs will decrease, causing wages to increase. I do not think that it will work out that way, but I can see why they might hope it will, and why they might feel it’s worth the risk to find out.

I work in engineering/construction. Years ago it was normal for working class families to have one breadwinner in a non-management construction job who was able to support a household in moderate comfort on their single income. The reality today is that the majority of our construction workforce and the workforce on every site I have been on is young Europeans. There is no considered strategy to employ European over British workers, but the roles are advertised at fairly low rates and we are inundated with great applications. This is reality. It works very well for us as a business, but many older British workers have been priced out of the market. Of course there is a lot our government could have done to prevent/solve this without leaving the EU, and big business being what it is, I suspect that leaving the EU will not change matters much anyway. However, I do not think you have to be thick or racist to say that not all British people have benefited from the free movement of workers within the EU though.

Oil wasn't traded in dollars till the 1970s, yet US downturns prior to that had an effect of the world economy

They were nothing compared to 1973 oil crisis.

Why when China has a down turn does the rest of the world get effected too?

China by itself is almost 20% of world population. India is catching up. Being a cheap supplier for many years drew vast amounts of money into China. They even offended to lend money to the US when financial crisis happened in 2007.

As China has huge money to spend any sneeze in China will wobble markets.

Sterling is gaining on the Euro btw

You realise other countries will have their payments increased too? In previous years when we didn't do so well we paid less whilst others paid more . You knew that right?

These threads are boring. The Remainers don’t want to listen to the arguments and feel they have a superior knowledge of what is going to happen.

We had a vote, the UK voted leave (as did I), we then had years of messing around, and Labours stupid position regarding Leave/Remain.

We then had a GE and my goodness the message was rammed home and even the red wall and the North supported Boris who was clear what he wanted to do.

The only clear Remain party lost their leader. Is it not any more clear?

I even heard a Guardian journalist stating that if the people who hadn’t voted in both the referendum and the recent GE voted the results would have been different. How on earth can you know that and actually the people who didn’t vote should not be counted. It sounds desperate to scrap the barrel for reasons as to why your view was not upheld.

A lot of people are hoping that competition for traditional working class jobs will decrease, causing wages to increase. I do not think that it will work out that way, but I can see why they might hope it will, and why they might feel it’s worth the risk to find out

Labour decision to open the floodgates in 2004 in attempt to force wages down is why wages for those at the lower end of the earnings scale had very little in real pay rises. Labour has since acknowledged it was a mistake.

@Bathroom12345

Great post.

The 1929 stock market crash was nothing compared to the 1973 world oil crisis? Righhhht

The EU has huge money to spend and is integrated in the world economy. If it were to collapse the massive economic impact of that would be felt globally and it would be detrimental to the majority of the world.

I also think this could be the end of the EU as the UK was an important part of community.

David Cameron should have fought harder for changes but pussy footed around expecting that Remain would win.

People who complain that remainers don't want to listen to arguments are incorrect, you just can't come up with a good one is all.

Mystery if you knew that Brexit would mean abject poverty for everyone in the UK (not saying it will) would you still have voted Leave, as it was a binary decision, be in or out of the EU? Did you seriously have no thought about what it could mean?

Although I suppose that is why a number of people did vote leave, just to be out of the EU, without any consideration that they could be substantially worse off.

We don’t know. Every impact is potential and not actual as Brexit hasn’t yet happened. There are trade agreements to be made and other negotiating to be done. Once that is done we may have an inkling but we truly won’t know for many years yet.

Still trying to understand how Brexit will improve things

• for the low paid
• for the just about managing
• for fishing
• for farming
• for the environment

How will it actually make a difference?

@mummmy2017 was the EU to blame for our industry declining? And is Brexit going to revive industry?

Again, no benefits explained.

Yes, we are going to see things being made in UK.
Wow shock horror.

@Bathroom12345 you may find these threads boring, whereas I find them incredibly frustrating, but no one can explain how Brexit will make the lives of people in the UK better.

However it goes, leave voters own it now, it's all on them and any negative consequences will be their fault.

Yes, we are going to see things being made in UK.
Such as ?

The JIT supply chain is continent wide.
Manufacturers will move to stay inside it.
That means LESS manufacturing in the UK, not more.

Still no answers to the orignal question beyond "We Won, We Won, Nar Nar Ni Narnar!"

But it's because we're not asking proper questions, apparently.

@SuperFurryDoggy puts it pretty eloquently I think. I think she sums up the thinking of a great deal of leavers' thoughts.

As others have said it I think it was more about the feels than the tangible benefits though.

But OP I am in a similar place to you. My social media this weekend has been full of videos of people saying why they're so pleased about brexit and no-one really mentions any tangible benefits other than rubbish like "we can make our own laws" . To me the tangible benefits of staying in the EU are too long to list and the benefits of getting out hard to work out. I'm a staunch remainer though so biased from the start.

Nobody knows the future except for the remainers in these never ending threads.

The plague should take a grip this month so keep up please.