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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of â…” of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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CurlyWurlyTwirly · 28/10/2019 17:40

Jeremy Corbyn is on Fire today!

flouncyfanny · 28/10/2019 17:40

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rosie1959 · 28/10/2019 17:43

I think there is only one reason Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want an election

NoWordForFluffy · 28/10/2019 17:43

Give me more detail re Corbyn! I'm on a train so no hope of watching.

MockersthefeMANist · 28/10/2019 17:44

You can listen on 5Live.

Basilpots · 28/10/2019 17:47

Corbyn is doing ok actually continually pushing home mistrust of BJ. He has got on record the Dispatches programme and the FT leak wrt drop in workers standards. I am not a Corbyn fan btw. Only really ERGers speaking up for Johnson so far.

fedup21 · 28/10/2019 17:47

I think there is only one reason Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want an election

Because he thinks he’ll lose?

QueenMabby · 28/10/2019 17:48

I’m on the wine - anyone care to join me?
Visiting my parents (mum 69 and dad 71 both ardent Remainers) so have shown them some of the YouTube videos from this thread. They loved them!
Thanks to all the regular contributors for helping to keep this lurker sane.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 17:48

Fluffy, it all boils down to a passionate speech about not trusting the PM, his broken promises, secret meetings with the US re nhs drugs, student votes. He's on fire. I've always thought he was biding his time before letting rip and I hope he'll prove me right.

flouncyfanny · 28/10/2019 17:49

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MockersthefeMANist · 28/10/2019 17:49

A Christmas election is an exercise in voter suppression.

prettybird · 28/10/2019 17:49

Just said to dh that Corbyn actually performs more strongly against BJ than he did against May.

He is also totally impervious to the insults Grin - one of the more fortunate side-effects of his thick skin which has so far protected him against those on his own side that see him as a liability Confused

rosie1959 · 28/10/2019 17:50

That's about it fedup21

Basilpots · 28/10/2019 17:53

Redwoods argument seems to be we need an election because you won’t lead us do what we want. (Perhaps because you keep sacking off your own MP’s?)

No one is attempting to defend BJ untrustworthiness Blush

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 17:54

flouncyfanny Grin

Ian Blackford, "it's time for the prime minister to look for the nearest ditch." 🤣

tobee · 28/10/2019 17:54

Thank fuck for these people who plop on these threads and tell us these gems of knowledge.

dontcallmelen · 28/10/2019 17:55

Be interesting to see if that dispatches programme gets discussed on MSM not holding my breath though, bozo seems to be made of Teflon nothing ever appears to stick to that excuse of a human being.

prettybird · 28/10/2019 17:55

I was wondering where they were Wink They usually turn up like bad pennies whenever there is a set back to the Brexit process Grin

Basilpots · 28/10/2019 17:57

The way the Tory’s we’re trying to shout him down about makes me think there must be something in that Dispatches investigation.

Fabricant even tried to distract with his wig Grin

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 17:57

Blackford is killing it today, well constructed speech

NoWordForFluffy · 28/10/2019 17:57

You can listen on 5Live.

Bearing in mind I've totally failed at buying Bluetooth headphones for the last 2.5 years, that's not happening! 😂

Thank you for the round-up, Bercows.

ClashCityRocker · 28/10/2019 17:58

I thought the vote was due at five?

Have I missed something?

Always likely.

PotterHead1985 · 28/10/2019 17:58

JC was right. A GE in December is going to be very badly done. Who the fuck would want to canvass. Who the fuck would open their doors in the dark manky nights to god knows who on the other side, and then stand in the shite weather debating. The students, elderly, infirm and fuck it a good portion of everyone else isn't gonna want to drag themselves to the polling stations in the shits of December to placate BoZos ego. Fucking ridiculous notion and suggestion.

Basilpots · 28/10/2019 17:59

Waffle first Clash ‘debating’ Hmm

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 17:59

No vote yet. Still giving the Pm a hard time.