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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of ⅔ of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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BestIsWest · 28/10/2019 18:00

Pmk

TheMShip · 28/10/2019 18:00

The Dispatches programme is in the Independent and the Scotsman from a quick Google. Guardian and Mirror sure to pick up on it. Right wing press will bury it under election shit.

TheMShip · 28/10/2019 18:02

Rumours of BJ jumping constituency? Might be....

Labour’s Stephen Doughty intervenes to say there are rumours that Johnson will not even stand as an MP at the election in his constituency, Uxbridge and South Ruislip (where he had a majority of 5,034 at the last election). Johnson may stand in Sevenoaks (where there was a Tory majority of 21,917 in 2017) or East Yorkshire (where it was 15,006), Doughty says.

Johnson shakes his head by does not intervene.

dontcallmelen · 28/10/2019 18:02

Mship you are right, but I live in hope though more fool me.

TheMShip · 28/10/2019 18:03

ERG see an opportunity to fuck with NI. From the Guardian live blog:

Tory Brexiters suggest extension should be used to renegotiate PM's backstop alternative
This is from the Conservative Brexiter MP Craig Mackinlay.

Craig Mackinlay MP
(@cmackinlay)
Looks like disgraceful Benn/#SurrenderAct has delivered what the #Brexit blockers intended -a foul & unwanted extension. So be it; gives us the time that wasn’t available to the #PM to reopen the #WA and get changes to #NIProtocol to the satisfaction of @duponline. #Silverlining

October 28, 2019
Steve Baker, the Tory MP who chairs the European Research Group, which represents hardline Brexiters, thinks his colleague has a point.

Steve Baker MP
(@SteveBakerHW)
It’s a good point worth exploring.

NoWordForFluffy · 28/10/2019 18:04

JC was right. A GE in December is going to be very badly done. Who the fuck would want to canvass. Who the fuck would open their doors in the dark manky nights to god knows who on the other side, and then stand in the shite weather debating. The students, elderly, infirm and fuck it a good portion of everyone else isn't gonna want to drag themselves to the polling stations in the shits of December to placate BoZos ego. Fucking ridiculous notion and suggestion.

But exactly what else does he say we should do with the 3 month extension? Fuck all again? We cannot waste it; if we do, it WILL be the last (and may well be anyway).

We've got limited bloody options to try to change what's going on.

Basilpots · 28/10/2019 18:05

IDs wanging on again panicking a bit about 16 & 17 year olds voting there I think.

Blackford doing well.

Oh god it’s Cash.... ra ra it’s Labours fault....
ra ra ra democracy will of the people. One trick pony.

Still not one Tory MP coming into bat for BJ on trust.....

TreesSandSea · 28/10/2019 18:05

Just seen this and wept all the way through. Been a lurker for the past 18 months. Just so desperately sad for the future of this country and our children. This song just captures the desperate stupidity of it all.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=07X_yk1v8S4

I feel hopeless and helpless.

BestIsWest · 28/10/2019 18:05

Not to mention many of the usual polling places not being available and those which are suitable for use in May with long evenings may need t be suitable on frosty dark December days. My parents usual polling booth is a demountable temporary building in an unlit park. Ok, it gets dark before 10pm in May but it doesn’t get cold and Frosty.
Ok so they’ll send a postal vote but what are the chances of it arriving on time with all the additional Christmas post. And what of those overseas voters who rely on postal votes?

AutumnCrow · 28/10/2019 18:06

Michael Fabricated-Hair has a very interesting backstory and he's not my least favourite Tory by a long stretch. But that's no accolade.

Icantreachthepretzels · 28/10/2019 18:06

or East Yorkshire (where it was 15,006)

I would have thought that his recent excursions to Yorkshire during prorogation would have convinced him that the north is not for him.

Basilpots · 28/10/2019 18:06

7pm for the vote I think.

Swinson up putting forward PV.

Whoah she’s calling out Labour on this....

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 18:07

Is there not a code of behaviour for the chamber? The treatment of the SNP is beyond contempt.

John1971 · 28/10/2019 18:08

Do or die
Come what may
Dead in a ditch
Liar

BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 18:09

Neither the ERG, nor Labour, LDems etc can re-open the legally binding bits of the WA
The EU won't agree

So it's all just posturing for the cameras
Or the ERG are too thick to understand this.

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Basilpots · 28/10/2019 18:10

Backstory Autumn surprised it hasn’t got its own Twitter account.

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MockersthefeMANist · 28/10/2019 18:11

When the subject of students going home at the end of term was raised, the chorus from the Tory benches could be lip-read: Postal Vote. Postal Vote.

So hundreds of thousands of students should apply for postal votes with just a few days to the election. What could possibly go wrong?

Basilpots · 28/10/2019 18:11

Swinson has put in an early day motion for a PV or have I misunderstood??

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 28/10/2019 18:11

I do like Anna Soubry. Speaks sense.
Jo Swinson seems out of her depth

BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 18:11

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/27/turkeys-wont-vote-for-christmas-when-the-polls-are-telling-them-theyll-be-stuffed

colleagues who have spoken to the Labour leader very recently have come away concluding that he is “genuinely procrastinating”.
😂 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Basilpots · 28/10/2019 18:12

Especially with an impending postal strike * Mockers

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 18:13

Basilpots that my understanding but I'm not sure what that means exactly. I'm still in my political steep learning curve.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 18:13

Tony Connelly✔@tconnellyRTE

Boris Johnson’s letter to @eucopresident Donald Tusk accepting the Jan 31 extension.

Note no reference to the EU’s reminder that the UK is obliged to appoint a Commissioner

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placemats · 28/10/2019 18:14

I agree CurlyWurlyTwirly

She doesn't trust what the PM says but is willing to do a deal with him?

Bizarre.

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