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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of â…” of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 29/10/2019 14:32

So far so good Smile

ArseDarkly · 29/10/2019 14:33

Quite funny Bozo trying his blandishments on Ken Clarke, talking about his huge respect (apart from that little insignificant expulsion) before Clarke put him right in his place

prettybird · 29/10/2019 14:34

It sounds petty but I get really irritated when BJ (and others) calls the SNP the Scottish Nationalist Party. They know it's the Scottish National Party - but they like to smear it with a pejorative insinuation of ethnic nationalism. Hmm

flouncyfanny · 29/10/2019 14:35

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Basilpots · 29/10/2019 14:35

Listening to an Astrophysicist (I know get me) yesterday on 5Live he described three truths, thought you lot might appreciate it.

Personal truth something you feel in your bones possibly religious which is fine unless you start trying to force your will on others via threat or violence.

Political truth something that gets repeated so often it becomes the truth whether it based in fact or not becomes immaterial.

Objective truth something that is based in provable facts.

Brexit hides behind 1 & 2 and tries to obscure 3.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 29/10/2019 14:36

All I'm hearing is i don't really want to keep holding this bucket of shit

placemats · 29/10/2019 14:38

Well done Stella Creasy!

placemats · 29/10/2019 14:40

I agree Pretty.

It's, once again, childish behaviour.

flouncyfanny · 29/10/2019 14:44

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BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 14:44

That's very interesting from the astrophysicist, Basil

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havingtochangeusernameagain · 29/10/2019 14:45

By Christmas we could have a new government and a PV or even revoke in the offing. Best Christmas present ever

Hmmm. At best I think we'll have another hung parliament, with the SNP potentially having a clean sweep in Scotland, or close to it.

At worst, Boris getting a working majority and being able to ram through a no deal Brexit, or at best his deal and then leaving transition without a deal in just over a year's time.

I can't see much cause for optimism in a GE, and it will cost yet more money. But I suppose we can't go on as we are.

MockersthefeMANist · 29/10/2019 14:46

Poor turnout on the govt. benches.

Possibly clearing their offices.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 29/10/2019 14:46

I suppose the DUP could lose a few seats. That would be worth a celebration.

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 14:48

Neil degrasse Tyson BCF

His pinned tweet is

To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.

  • Thomas Paine

Which is an excellent rule to apply on here sometimes Grin

DGRossetti · 29/10/2019 14:48

Some more details emerging about the Brexit coin:

Apparently there had been several errors in their production. The date has had to be changed three times already and then the year of issue from 2019 to 2020. The biggest problem however was that the coin did not have the usual obverse of HM Queen's head and a reverse with something of interest, but two obverses. Neither of HM Queen, but both of Boris. One side captioned "what he says" and the other captioned "what he does". Apparently HM Queen was not amused with this two faced design and has insisted they are all scrapped.

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 14:49

Jesus is cash not dead yet Grin

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 14:50

Jesus is cash not dead yet grin

Only from the neck up....

tobee · 29/10/2019 14:50

In the new Trumpian universe, we have a PM who lies and lies. And it seems to be unchallenged. It's par for the course. Come on electorate! Challenge him in the time honoured way!

As an aside, why do I always seem to conjure up Bill Cash when I turn on the tv? Shiver!

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 14:51

Grim news that Heidi Allen has been at least partly driven out by vile abuse

That comes shortly after we learn of the GoFundMe for a hitman to murder Gina Miller

The abuse and danger that women face, if they stand against populists, is one of the most worrying features of our disfunctional politics.

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MockersthefeMANist · 29/10/2019 14:51

This is all by the by. Francois says the country is going to explode on Thursday.

(Wear your special glasses and never look directly at the Brexit.)

AutumnCrow · 29/10/2019 14:52

Cash is a very angry man

DGRossetti · 29/10/2019 14:53

This is all by the by. Francois says the country is going to explode on Thursday.

No it's not.

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 14:53

And there they all fuck off again. Complete with 'byes' from the SNP benches. Fucking disgraceful arseholes the lot of them

wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 14:53

Come on electorate! Challenge him in the time honoured way!

Yes!

FadingStar · 29/10/2019 14:54

Well I'm getting the novenas and rosary beads out to pray for a Tory defeat. ✊