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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of ⅔ of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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ClementineWardobe · 29/10/2019 14:12

I keep reading about this possibility of a pigs in blankets shortage and it reminds me of Jim Hacker getting the top job after a rousing speech in defence of the The Great British Sausage (totally manufactured 'threat' by Sir Humphrey of an EU ban I think... Oh the painful echoes)

I'm going to rewatch the entire series.

tobee · 29/10/2019 14:13

My point being about "one issue" election is that often what is assumed the main issue of the day is at the start of a campaign isn't at the end.

The gamble for the government is they lose control of the agenda at that time.

tobee · 29/10/2019 14:16

That's the interesting thing Arse. Leaving the eu being a Tory project, but the things people were "really" voting for are largely, left of centre concerns.

DGRossetti · 29/10/2019 14:17

My point being about "one issue" election is that often what is assumed the main issue of the day is at the start of a campaign isn't at the end

local issues can also come into play. Wyre Forest (near me) rings a bell as a local-issue candidate absolutely slaughtering the Labour incumbent over a hospital closure a few years back.

Heathrow runway 3 might be a similar story ?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 14:17

So who is reluctantly checking their calendars to see when they are going to be helping out with campaigning? fuckit

TheABC · 29/10/2019 14:18

I am sorry to hear about Heidi too, @tobee.

Hopefully, this atmosphere will pass when there is some sort of resolution on Brexit - I honestly can't remember it being so toxic.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 29/10/2019 14:19

Fuck I'm out shopping and missing it!

prettybird · 29/10/2019 14:20

For Stella Creasey's amendment (to allow amendments Wink)

Ayes 312
Noes 295

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 14:20

Ayes 312
Noes 295

RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 14:20

Stella Creasy's amendment passes... Government defeat...

thecatfromjapan · 29/10/2019 14:21

Tactical voting.

(Don't know who is running this, if it's the Gina Miller one, the Best for Britain one: no idea - but sharing.)

twitter.com/zoesqwilliams/status/1189184662368747522?s=21

thecatfromjapan · 29/10/2019 14:23

I am, OhYouBadKitten*. ☹️

ArseDarkly · 29/10/2019 14:23

That's right Tobee but it's too late to persuade non-tory voters that Brexit was a tory project, they have become too caught up in it. opposition need to focus now on helping people to understand how they were misled and that the person who was hugely instrumental in that is now looking to be elected PM

Butterymuffin · 29/10/2019 14:23

Yay for Stella!

Maybe there will be opportunities to combine canvassing with carol singing and delivering cards. Festive electoral cheer Hmm

prettybird · 29/10/2019 14:23

So the 4 hours start from now....

(Clerks can now accept amendments for the committee stage)

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 14:24

Poor us Cat :(

wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 14:25

Oh happy day... oh happy day.... oh happy daaay! Grin

prettybird · 29/10/2019 14:25

I'll be out campaigning/canvassing/delivering leaflets.

It will certainly get my step count up in the run up to Christmas Wink Silver linings and all that Grin

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 29/10/2019 14:26

I bloody love Jess Phillips.

placemats · 29/10/2019 14:27

Why not festive electoral cheer? Tis the Season to be Jolly. I, for one, love crisp winter days.

I love that Corbyn has gone with this.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 14:28

Johnson's tactic is to filibuster through the 4 hours.

wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 14:29

By Christmas we could have a new government and a PV or even revoke in the offing. Best Christmas present ever! Grin

prettybird · 29/10/2019 14:29

Have to say: I found May difficult and irritating to listen to but BJ is a whole order of worse! Envy

ArseDarkly · 29/10/2019 14:31

wondering Grin

Does feel like a relief doesn't it? Something we can actually get involved in instead of looking on in horror

MockersthefeMANist · 29/10/2019 14:32

Goodness only knows what the useless pillock is on about. Election campaigns can be very revealing. People saw the Maybot for what she was, and now we're seeing this Onanist in front of a mirror in all his glory.

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