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Westministenders: The One Where Everyone is an Election Expert For 3 Days

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RedToothBrush · 24/05/2019 17:40

The Vote has been cast.

The PM has quit. SHOCK!

We now face The Big Wait.

Waiting for the results. Waiting for the new leader. Waiting for a new direction.

Turnout looks likely to be up overall compared to 2014. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing isn't clear.

At this stage realistically the only definite thing that I think you can actually speculate is the LDs have done very well indeed. Turnout is up in all traditional LD areas and remain areas in general. Though some LDs are getting a little carried away.

Does this mean that the Brexit Party will do badly? No. Its merely a reflection of demographic polarisation. And it may indeed help the Brexit Party ironically. It does suggest that Labour hasn't done well in the north (difference with 2014 turnouts worst in Labour areas) and there are hints that the Cons have done badly (Lincolnshire turnout for the locals was lower than for the EU elections). Something is happening in Wales. But no one seems to really understand what. Its gone 'rogue'!

Plus there are far more leave areas than remain ones. The increases in turnout possibly aren't enough to make a significant dent on the Brexit Party lead.

Not much of an increase in turnout in places like Derby, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool, Basildon, Leigh - which all have high leave figures suggest that the Brexit Party are not motivated those they persuaded to the polls for the first time in 2016 for the Ref to vote. Instead it means they can only increase their vote share with a further collapse in the Lab / Con vote from 2014. The question with this is how close were UKIP to the ceiling vote? If you didn't go with UKIP in 2014 would the ref change that? Does this mark it harder for them to hit close to 38% vote share? Argueably yes - but don't get too excited yet either. It doesn't mean they won't do very well, if there is a Lab/Con vote collaspe like the locals. I still would not be surprised by a mid-thirties result.

Psychologically the popular vote matters. This might be important for the future. The vote of those extra referedum voters hasn't been motivated by another protest vote under Farage. Who is going to try and court them? This affects the direction of all the parties.

The real issue is how the seats split down. With the vote fragmented between the LDs, Greens, Plaid and SNP the ranking is against them. And works for the Brexit Party.

Meanwhile Boris Johnson has vowed to crash the UK out the EU without a deal.... what internal numbers is he aware of???

Results due after 10pm Sunday.

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Moanranger · 24/05/2019 19:03

If you had all the election verification data for each constituency and set that against its leave versus stay percentage, you could do a regression analysis to see if there was a correlation between increased turn out and 2016 referendum results. That will not ultimately project the election results, but would be compelling. However:
I don’t have the data
I don’t have SPSS or similar downloaded, but I betcha someone, somewhere is doing this.

dreichuplands · 24/05/2019 19:04

That made me smile singing

HazardGhost · 24/05/2019 19:05

Laura thank you for being the Welsh informer Grin

Motherof3feminists · 24/05/2019 19:06

Fuck. No deal and BJ. Time to start replenishing the brexit stash.

prettybird · 24/05/2019 19:07

Scotland should get Princess Anne - she's already the patron of the SRU and a good supporter of the Scotland Rugby team Smile

FiveAcorns · 24/05/2019 19:09

PMK

RedToothBrush · 24/05/2019 19:12

Singing thats epic!

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Iambuffy · 24/05/2019 19:12

babooshka sorry about dh 💐

Your stepfil sounds great :)

woodpigeons · 24/05/2019 19:12

Wales has a real prince a descendant of Llywelyn ap Gruffudd who was their prince until he was killed in battle in the 13th century when England stole the title.
They have traced his living descendant.
I used to live in Wales and that’s what people said.

RedToothBrush · 24/05/2019 19:14

Sam McBride @SJAMcBride
Official: Turnout in the European election in Northern Ireland was a mediocre 45.14%- despite the enormity of Brexit for NI & the poll being presented as a quasi-referendum on the issue. That's down from this month's council elections (52.7%) & the last EU election (51.8%).

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vasillisa · 24/05/2019 19:16

woodpigeons..that sounds like the stuff of legend. Living descendant!
Love the Vince tale, Babooshka. Made me smile amongst the political madness.

greenelephantscarf · 24/05/2019 19:17

pretty is that a white cat in the snow? Grin

FriedEggsAndMushrooms · 24/05/2019 19:20

Pmk...Gin

SwedishEdith · 24/05/2019 19:23

pmk

OublietteBravo · 24/05/2019 19:27

Boris is a showboater. He might just have the chutzpah to threaten no-Deal, and then do a complete u-turn, revoke A.50 and spin it as him ‘saving the day.’

Peregrina · 24/05/2019 19:28

The story about the Prince of Wales motto Ich Dien is that really its a corruption of eich dyn i.e. your man.

Violetparis · 24/05/2019 19:30

I am surprised by the low turnout figures everywhere, don't think I've seen anywhere about 50%, and most are well below that. I know turnout for EU elections is usually low but I expected much more interest in these ones.

Violetparis · 24/05/2019 19:31

above 50% that should say !

NoWordForFluffy · 24/05/2019 19:31

Violet, I think some people are just sick to the back teeth of it all right now.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/05/2019 19:35

Thanks, red Thanks

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OublietteBravo · 24/05/2019 19:40

Wales has a real prince a descendant of Llywelyn ap Gruffudd who was their prince until he was killed in battle in the 13th century when England stole the title.
They have traced his living descendant.

IIRC, Llewelyn was married to King John’s Illegitimate daughter. So (depending on the lineage) the living descendant could also be descended from the Plantagenet line.

BestIsWest · 24/05/2019 19:42

This is Cardiff 2 weeks ago, an estimated 3000 people marching for an Independent Wales.

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/05/2019 19:43

Babooshka So dorry your DH is having such a rotten time Thanks
Parkinson's is shit

The stepFIL semi-flash is hilarious ! GrinGrinGrin

@red You posted Vince is stepping down on 23 July
Do you think that doorstep horror made him decide he's had enough ? Grin

prettybird · 24/05/2019 19:45

greenelephantscarf - just me being lazy and having a lie in, in the company of one of the cats Grin

I was catching up on Westminstenders of course Wink

woman19 · 24/05/2019 19:50

marching for an Independent Wales

Awful.

This country is like something out of an Anthony Burgess or William Golding novel.

But not as well written.