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Westministenders: The One Where Everyone is an Election Expert For 3 Days

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RedToothBrush · 24/05/2019 17:40

The Vote has been cast.

The PM has quit. SHOCK!

We now face The Big Wait.

Waiting for the results. Waiting for the new leader. Waiting for a new direction.

Turnout looks likely to be up overall compared to 2014. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing isn't clear.

At this stage realistically the only definite thing that I think you can actually speculate is the LDs have done very well indeed. Turnout is up in all traditional LD areas and remain areas in general. Though some LDs are getting a little carried away.

Does this mean that the Brexit Party will do badly? No. Its merely a reflection of demographic polarisation. And it may indeed help the Brexit Party ironically. It does suggest that Labour hasn't done well in the north (difference with 2014 turnouts worst in Labour areas) and there are hints that the Cons have done badly (Lincolnshire turnout for the locals was lower than for the EU elections). Something is happening in Wales. But no one seems to really understand what. Its gone 'rogue'!

Plus there are far more leave areas than remain ones. The increases in turnout possibly aren't enough to make a significant dent on the Brexit Party lead.

Not much of an increase in turnout in places like Derby, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool, Basildon, Leigh - which all have high leave figures suggest that the Brexit Party are not motivated those they persuaded to the polls for the first time in 2016 for the Ref to vote. Instead it means they can only increase their vote share with a further collapse in the Lab / Con vote from 2014. The question with this is how close were UKIP to the ceiling vote? If you didn't go with UKIP in 2014 would the ref change that? Does this mark it harder for them to hit close to 38% vote share? Argueably yes - but don't get too excited yet either. It doesn't mean they won't do very well, if there is a Lab/Con vote collaspe like the locals. I still would not be surprised by a mid-thirties result.

Psychologically the popular vote matters. This might be important for the future. The vote of those extra referedum voters hasn't been motivated by another protest vote under Farage. Who is going to try and court them? This affects the direction of all the parties.

The real issue is how the seats split down. With the vote fragmented between the LDs, Greens, Plaid and SNP the ranking is against them. And works for the Brexit Party.

Meanwhile Boris Johnson has vowed to crash the UK out the EU without a deal.... what internal numbers is he aware of???

Results due after 10pm Sunday.

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1tisILeClerc · 24/05/2019 18:27

This might be helpful:
Taken from Grauniad
{The Electoral Commission has been asked to permit late postal votes for the European parliament elections to be counted as reports continue of many British nationals living abroad receiving their ballot papers too late to return on time.

A group of 10 MEPs has written to the regulator to say that it should consider any postal vote that arrives by Sunday when the polls close across Europe. “We cannot permit lousy disenfranchisement like this,” said the Liberal Democrat MEP Catherine Bearder, who wrote the letter to the commission.

“This has left people’s voices silenced and is an affront to our democracy,” said the letter, also signed by Labour MEPs Seb Dance, Claude Moraes and Richard Corbett, independent MEP Jude Kirton-Darling, Change UK MEP Richard Ashworth, Green party MEP Molly Scott Cato, Plaid Cymru MEP Jill Evans and Scottish National party MEP Alyn Smith.}

RedToothBrush · 24/05/2019 18:27

However, nobody actually KNOWS for sure given the lack of exit polls.

I find it hard to believe that no one has done private polling for internal purposes.

Someone has a bloody good idea whats happened.

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boatyardblues · 24/05/2019 18:28

Chas feels like the booby prize.

1tisILeClerc · 24/05/2019 18:29

That list doesn't seem to have Nigel's signature on it and he is SO big on DEMOCRACY.

dreichuplands · 24/05/2019 18:30

DH and I reckon that Scotland should have Harry and Megan. We won't be appalled that their dc is called Archie and would be relaxed about him going trick or treating.

NoWordForFluffy · 24/05/2019 18:31

I find it hard to believe that no one has done private polling for internal purposes.

Someone has a bloody good idea whats happened.

I wonder where though? Nobody here came across anyone (that they've said!). But I agree, you'd think they would have done somewhere. However, you'd need a fair few scattered around to get the national mood right.

Has Corbyn said anything of interest (or just anything) today?

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 24/05/2019 18:32

PMK

No turnout numbers for Scotland yet?

Basilpots · 24/05/2019 18:39

No I could only read the first bit As it’s behind a paywall and I’m not forking out for that claptrap and now I can’t find the article to link but from memory it just stated remain versus leave vote but obviously couldn’t read the breakdown if there was one.

Hasenstein · 24/05/2019 18:41

PMK and thanks to Red and all other informative posters.

I'm still trying to get my head round our new super-democratic way of coming up with (appointing) a national leader. Leavers say the EU is run by unelected bureaucrats; we're led by unelected Prime Minsters, which is obviously much fairer.

BestIsWest · 24/05/2019 18:43

I’ve definitely detected more interest in Welsh Nationalism recently.

LauraKsWhiteCoat · 24/05/2019 18:46

I'm in Wales - everyone I know voted Plaid (voting from the heart) or Lib Dem (tactical vote). However, my sample is biased because we're all reasonable people.

Oh and the Prince of Wales title... It was indeed a title fabricated by Edward I to appease the Welsh after he built his Iron ring of castles to hammer us into submission. He told the Welsh he would give them a Prince born in Wales who spoke no english. He gave them his newborn son, born in Caernarfon, who couldn't yet speak. The Welsh hold no affection for the Prince of Wales.

LauraKsWhiteCoat · 24/05/2019 18:47

Has Corbyn said anything of interest (or just anything) today?

He has commented - just more 'we need to get on with it' type stuff.

woman19 · 24/05/2019 18:47

Someone has a bloody good idea whats happened
£ nosedived today.

Whisky2014 · 24/05/2019 18:48

Pmk

NoWordForFluffy · 24/05/2019 18:52

@Basilpots, I found it as I have one free article a week. It's predicting 33% BXP based on the final pre-election polls.

1tisILeClerc · 24/05/2019 18:53

{£ nosedived today.}
It has bounced back up to be about as bad as yesterday (with Euro).
Against Dollar it is up a bit I think.

BackInTime · 24/05/2019 18:54

PMK

Boris already talking up No Deal, I expect Grayling will be on the phone spending millions on rebooking his fantasy ferries.

Reaching for Gin

Catslovepies · 24/05/2019 18:57

Pmk

Motherof3feminists · 24/05/2019 18:57

PMK

Basilpots · 24/05/2019 18:57

No hmm not as bad as I was fearing, whatever the result it will get spun as ‘we need to get on with Brexit’

prettybird · 24/05/2019 18:59

I need to start taking more pictures of the cats Shock Here's my not very regal cat who thinks he's a dormouse to mark my place Wink

It comes to something when you're hoping for a Brady or Hunt play-off v Gove, who's been keeping his head down Shock Anything but BoJo, although I still think will manipulate things so he's not the one left holding the poisoned chalice when the music stops this time Hmm

Westministenders: The One Where Everyone is an Election Expert For 3 Days
SingingBabooshkaBadly · 24/05/2019 19:00

Thanks Red

After a horrible couple of days - Brexit and personal life (DH just will not stop falling - bloody Parkinson’s) it was good to hear a story courtesy of stepFiL that made me laugh.

This happened just before the local elections but he’s only just told me. So, MiL pops out to the shops and stepFiL decides to go for a shower. Doorbell rings. He assumes MiL has forgotten her keys, wraps himself in a tiny towel and nips down to answer the door. Opens the door to be greeted, not by MiL, but by Vince Cable! Vince was apparently stunned into silence by the sight of a soggy and virtually naked octogenarian. StepFiL styled it out by declaring ‘Don’t worry Vince, we’re both Remainers and you’ve got our votes!’ Polite thank you and Vince goes on his way...

HazardGhost · 24/05/2019 19:02

Oh singing that's so funny 😂😄

NoWordForFluffy · 24/05/2019 19:02

😂😂😂😂 Babooshka!

Sorry to hear about your DH. Flowers

phpolly · 24/05/2019 19:03

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