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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2019 09:48

Admitting the mandate for leaving has expired.

The newspapers today are full of Talk of both Corbyn and May panicking that Brexit is destroying their parties, so after nearly 3 years of party politics they have decided that actually they can agree on something in the next week or so. Not because it's in the national interest but because they don't fancy mutual self assured destruction.

If they do manage to cobble something together then it with be rushed and shite.

If they don't they will be punished at the Euro elections by a Remain / Leave pincer action.

They can spin it all they like from their local election disaster that it was people wanting to get on with Brexit. It certainly does not change the reality that those people who were most likely to vote are fed up with the pair of them. And that there is a strong indication that the most motivated voters are remain leaning. Perhaps its true that leavers stayed home in protest. If they did, what will they do if the Brexit Party stand candidates at a general election? Maybe they will vote, but you can't argue that they view voting itself as an important act. Spoilt ballots were up, but not that up. If the pair do manage a deal, then we have Brexited which might satisfy some. The trouble is the underlying issues are not to do with the European Union. And even if we leave with a deal that does not resolve our future trading relationship. The poison that is Brexit won't end. And the voters will realise that soon enough. Leaving even with a deal will harm the economy, and that's only going to fuel discontent.

It's therefore hard to see where either party go from here. Not when they are effectively split internally. The poison is here to stay.

Spinning it as 'it shows the public want us to get on with Brexit' isn't going to help their cause with voters who still think leaving is a national disaster. Those voters will still think its a national disaster and will be even more pissed at being ignored and dismissed once again.

Where is the incentive to return to voting Labour or Conservative?

The Euro Elections, if they go ahead, will therefore be about one thing and one thing only: turnout. Even if the Brexit Party do relatively well, it will be about how many turnout in comparison to the locals and in comparison to the last EU elections. Whilst they might not admit the reality of things, ultimately all Labour and Conservatives really care about is securing the vote of people who will vote because voting intention doesn't win them seats if people don't turnout.

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/05/2019 19:53

Nigel Farage under fire over 'antisemitic tropes' on far-right US talkshow

Farage sinks to new depths with the disgusting fascist Alex Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/06/nigel-farage-under-fire-alleged-antisemitic-tropes-far-right-us-talkshow-alex-jones

Nigel Farage is facing strong criticism from Jewish organisations and a series of other groups after it emerged he repeatedly took part in interviews with a far-right US talkshow host,
during which the Brexit party leader openly discussed conspiracy theories, some of which have been linked to antisemitism.

..... Farage has appeared at least six times on the show of Alex Jones, who was sued by bereaved parents after claiming a US school shooting was faked, and was banned permanently from Facebook last week.

Among those condemning Farage include a father whose six-year-old son died in the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting, ^
and a man whose son died in the London bombings on 7 July 2005, which Jones has claimed were a government plot.
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In his various appearances on Jones’s show, Farage discussed themes commonly associated with an antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jewish financiers are behind a plot to replace nation states with a global government.

ContinuityError · 06/05/2019 20:24

Can I just remind people that Farridge’s company that he channels his media appearance payments through (to avoid paying higher rate personal tax) trousered £420k in the year ending May 2018.

Will be interesting to see how much he trousers for 2018/19.

Icantreachthepretzels · 06/05/2019 20:39

Is Britain bites back the TIFFANY! page? I'd forgotten about TIFFANY!

NoWordForFluffy · 06/05/2019 20:40

Is it Tiffany or Tegan?!

RedToothBrush · 06/05/2019 20:43

Jonn Elledge @ jonnelledge
Dominic Raab is Arnold J. Rimmer. Once you see this it can never be unseen.

I don't get this... Rimmer is definitely Jeremy Hunt

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RedToothBrush · 06/05/2019 20:45

However

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TalkinPaece · 06/05/2019 20:50

Pretzels / Fluffy
The wonderful Tegan

BigChocFrenzy · 06/05/2019 20:51

You nailed them both, red 😂

Mistigri · 06/05/2019 20:59

OMG that's brilliant!

RedToothBrush · 06/05/2019 21:05

Rory Stewart and Mick Jagger

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RedToothBrush · 06/05/2019 21:05

It's uncanny.

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RedToothBrush · 06/05/2019 21:07

I do think Gavin Williamson and Alan Patridge may be my fav.

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woman19 · 06/05/2019 21:09
Grin
BigChocFrenzy · 06/05/2019 21:14

Brexit party MEP candidate praised use of Nazi slogan

Look who'll be embarassing the country in the EP ....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/06/brexit-party-mep-candidate-praised-use-of-nazi-slogan

also has history of using obscene language about women on social media
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John Tennant, who according to polls is expected to win a seat in the European parliament as one of Farage’s three candidates in the north-east,
also made references to being intoxicated and suggested that Liverpool fans were criminals.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/05/2019 21:18

Nearly 900 stateless children forced to pay UK citizenship fees

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/06/nearly-1000-stateless-children-forced-to-pay-uk-citizenship-fees

Half of applications come from children from Commonwealth backgrounds

RedToothBrush · 06/05/2019 21:20

Boris Johnson is just Matt Lucas in a wig.

Pick any Matt Lucas character.

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TalkinPaece · 06/05/2019 21:24

I am reliably informed that people in a local council election only found out that they were candidates when they went to VOTE Hmm

RedToothBrush · 06/05/2019 21:27

Hmm well who signed their election paperwork then?

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TalkinPaece · 06/05/2019 21:34

Yes, exactly, court action starts tomorrow

NoWordForFluffy · 06/05/2019 21:35

Wasn't there any literature posted through letterboxes either?

That would be rather disconcerting!

HateIsNotGood · 06/05/2019 21:36

RTB - probably the same 'party' people who signed their paperwork for the other local election the candidates were standing in.

RedToothBrush · 06/05/2019 21:38

I'm pretty sure you have to sign a declaration to stand and then have ten nominations. So it'd be interesting to know if those nominations were also valid too.

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HateIsNotGood · 06/05/2019 21:38

Yep - the Party Candidates were probably saying - "Look, I said I would stand for the District not that shitty little town too..."

HateIsNotGood · 06/05/2019 21:41

Yes you do, RTB, but that's Party Politics fer ye....sign on the dotted line and sign your soul away.

RedToothBrush · 06/05/2019 21:41

This nomination pack is for use by candidates who are standing at a local government election in England on or after 2 May 2019
You must print off the forms in this pack before submitting them
The following papers must be delivered by hand:
1a: Nomination paper
1b: Home address form
1c: Candidate’s consent to nomination

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