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Westminstenders: Lets get on with...

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2019 09:48

Admitting the mandate for leaving has expired.

The newspapers today are full of Talk of both Corbyn and May panicking that Brexit is destroying their parties, so after nearly 3 years of party politics they have decided that actually they can agree on something in the next week or so. Not because it's in the national interest but because they don't fancy mutual self assured destruction.

If they do manage to cobble something together then it with be rushed and shite.

If they don't they will be punished at the Euro elections by a Remain / Leave pincer action.

They can spin it all they like from their local election disaster that it was people wanting to get on with Brexit. It certainly does not change the reality that those people who were most likely to vote are fed up with the pair of them. And that there is a strong indication that the most motivated voters are remain leaning. Perhaps its true that leavers stayed home in protest. If they did, what will they do if the Brexit Party stand candidates at a general election? Maybe they will vote, but you can't argue that they view voting itself as an important act. Spoilt ballots were up, but not that up. If the pair do manage a deal, then we have Brexited which might satisfy some. The trouble is the underlying issues are not to do with the European Union. And even if we leave with a deal that does not resolve our future trading relationship. The poison that is Brexit won't end. And the voters will realise that soon enough. Leaving even with a deal will harm the economy, and that's only going to fuel discontent.

It's therefore hard to see where either party go from here. Not when they are effectively split internally. The poison is here to stay.

Spinning it as 'it shows the public want us to get on with Brexit' isn't going to help their cause with voters who still think leaving is a national disaster. Those voters will still think its a national disaster and will be even more pissed at being ignored and dismissed once again.

Where is the incentive to return to voting Labour or Conservative?

The Euro Elections, if they go ahead, will therefore be about one thing and one thing only: turnout. Even if the Brexit Party do relatively well, it will be about how many turnout in comparison to the locals and in comparison to the last EU elections. Whilst they might not admit the reality of things, ultimately all Labour and Conservatives really care about is securing the vote of people who will vote because voting intention doesn't win them seats if people don't turnout.

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RedToothBrush · 06/05/2019 21:42

Just checked it. You have to sign the form to consent to nomination and can only do so if are not disqualified from standing. No one else can consent to stand.

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TheABC · 06/05/2019 21:50

Going back to the earlier posts about some of the Brexit party's questionable choices, I really hope Farage and his candidates gets the sunlight they deserve. Up until now, he has got away with the protest vote for an election no one has really cared about, but as an EP frontrunner for a proxy referendum, there should be the corresponding scrutiny.

HateIsNotGood · 06/05/2019 21:51

And? If this has truly happened, and court action is being taken, then I'm sure we'll all get to hear about it.

Until then, just more rumour, I personally don't disbelieve it at all - just need more info before I believe it.

In the spirit of MN a diagram is always useful - preferably handmade.

RedToothBrush · 06/05/2019 21:56

I think the problem is that a large percentage of people who would vote for the Brexit Party don't care about the quality of the candidates. Many voted Ukip previously. They won't do the research and aren't politically bothered. See Trump supporters in the US - same thing.

There are some who will, (certainly true in Warrington but that's to do with very strong localist feelings) but they will be a minority.

Those who care for sunlight most are those who would never vote without researching in the first place and wouldn't make a protest vote if they thought it potentially dangerous.

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woman19 · 06/05/2019 21:56

Steve Baker and Beaker?

Westminstenders: Lets get on with...
Westminstenders: Lets get on with...
Icantreachthepretzels · 06/05/2019 22:01

Is it Tiffany or Tegan?!

Of course it was Tegan! How could I forget? The wonderful Tegan without whom the facebook page could not run so smoothly...

RedToothBrush · 06/05/2019 22:24

Christopher Hope@christopherhope
^EXCLUSIVE Conservative party grassroots members to hold no confidence vote in Theresa May on Sat June 15.
Vote is not binding but, if she loses, it will put huge pressure on Mrs May to quit.
The vote by members at an EGM of the National Conservative Convention is unprecedented.^

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/05/2019 22:45

Sam Coates Timess@SamCoatesTimes*

Intriguingly, Theresa May’s own newest cabinet colleague Rory Stewart agrees you need a permanent deal that last for 30 years

Very striking intervention on @SophyRidgeSky@RidgeOnSunday

Peregrina · 06/05/2019 22:45

For District Councils you needed a Proposer, a Seconder and 8 Assentors to sign the nomination papers. The candidate themselves must sign as must the electoral agent. If you want to use a party logo or name then a nominating officer also needs to sign. For Town/Parish councils you just need the the proposer and seconder and nominating officer if standing for a party.

For and Independent candidate this last wouldn't be necessary but if a person really did find out at the polling station then it means two people must have committed electoral fraud.

HateIsNotGood · 06/05/2019 22:45

Possibly RTB but I wouldn't be so sure about that. I can only speak for myself but I'll be voting for the Brexit Party in the EU Elections but have never voted for UKIP.

Do I fit into your rationale of a non-researching (and maybe the other ill-read, uneducated, etc tropes) voter? I don't.

And there really lies your problem - you actually have no understanding of who I am, what I think, do, feel or anything about me. Or the myriad of other individual people that also, silently, anonymously cast their vote in a referendum that they thought would go against their POV, but they cast their vote anyway, expecting that it would be on the losing side.

But yet, you feel confident enough about your 'knowledge' of my life and others to actually spout your nonsense about how we all are the same - think, feel the same and in a way that youcan ridicule.

If you can't even try and understand why the many, different, anonymous, mediocre people voted the way they did in the referendum.......I guess you never will.

dreichuplands · 06/05/2019 23:25

Nobody can draw conclusions about one individual from the way they voted in addition the same person may vote for several different parties in their lifetime.
It is possible to draw larger, more broad brush assessments about what various groups of voters believe in the guardian had article about this last week.
www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2019/may/02/leavers-v-remainers-how-britains-tribes-compare

Icantreachthepretzels · 06/05/2019 23:38

If someone votes for Farage - I'm drawing conclusions. And those conclusions will not be flattering.

woman19 · 06/05/2019 23:43

@SadiqKhan
To London's one million EU citizens: you are Londoners, this is your home, and you deserve to have your say in the upcoming elections.

Time is running out to register to vote - the deadline is midnight tomorrow.

registertovote.eu/

Halo Khan

Peregrina · 07/05/2019 05:28

I can only speak for myself but I'll be voting for the Brexit Party in the EU Elections but have never voted for UKIP.

However, I am quite sure that many people who voted for UKIP because of Farage, will vote for the Brexit party, also because of Farage. When he tires of that as a publicity vehicle and moves onto something else, they will switch their vote to his something else.

For some reason they seem to think that a wealthy man is a man of the people. If and when Brexit goes completely tits up, Farage will be nowhere to be seen - he won't be there serving them at the food banks, or contributing to said food banks. He after all, didn't bother to march from Sunderland to Westminster - he just turned up for a few photo shoots. (Yes, we know the others only marched some of the way and were bussed a good part of it, but at least they made a bigger time commitment than he did.)

borntobequiet · 07/05/2019 05:40

Reminds me again to drop some cash the way of Led By Donkeys.
I hope all these past utterances of Brex party candidates follow them around on screens and billboards all round their EP area.

Mistigri · 07/05/2019 06:42

there really lies your problem - you actually have no understanding of who I am, what I think, do, feel or anything about me.

We can infer stuff from your posts though.

How do you feel about voting for a party which is fielding two IRA supporters as candidates?

woman19 · 07/05/2019 07:31

What that party and its supporters/funders stand for:

In the interviews, Farage also says

<span class="italic">Members of the annual Bilderberg gathering of political and business leaders are plotting a global government</span>

<span class="italic">The banking and political systems are working “hand in glove” in an attempt to disband nation states</span>

<span class="italic">Globalists” are trying to engineer a world war as a means to introduce a worldwide government</span>

<span class="italic">Climate change is a “scam” intended to push forward this transnational government</span>

In the most recent interview, filmed in April last year, Farage said the EU is “the prototype for the new world order”, and “globalists have wanted to have some form of conflict with Russia as an argument for us all to surrender our national sovereignty and give it up to a higher global level

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/06/nigel-farage-under-fire-alleged-antisemitic-tropes-far-right-us-talkshow-alex-jones

Has Fox clarified her position on child abuse and paedophillia?
www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/can-everyone-please-calm-down-about-child-abuse-8226955.html

or Widdicombe apologised for chaining women prisoners in labour when she was Home Sec?
www.independent.co.uk/news/pregnant-prisoner-tells-of-her-ordeal-in-chains-1262477.html

BigChocFrenzy · 07/05/2019 07:33

Interesting that extreme left (Communist /SWP) IRA supporters can switch to supporting a far right party.

We've seen before that those at the extremes can swap around, same ruthless, authoritarian tendencies, only able to support idological absolutes

frumpety · 07/05/2019 07:35

I am not sure what it says about someone who wants to elect someone else who doesn't want to do the job they are being elected for ? Which is every person voting for the Brexit party ?

LonelyTiredandLow · 07/05/2019 07:38

We can hope that you have bothered to check that your party won't harm other people. The shock comes when it appears many don't want other people to do well. Farage and Leave have been shown time and again to be about a tiny minority winning out at the expense of the masses. He courts publicity from US conspiracy theorists, accepts dark money and uses posters and video footage to mislead the public on immigration and cause racist undertones. He dodges tax and is anti regulation - for environmental protection amongst others such as workers rights.

You can have him, but of course people will judge you.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/05/2019 07:49

I don't judge individuals who voted Leave
They did so for many reasons
I don't judge those individuals who still want Brexit.

However, I do judge anyone who knowingly votes for a party with an openly racist leader, who deliberately whips up fear and anger against refugees and Muslims

who consorts with US white supremacists and Neo-Nazi supporters

A party with candidates who also make vile racist statements and have support from white supremacists here and in the US

Voting BREX is voting fascist - shame on you

You have a choice of other Brexit-supporting parties who are NOT fascist:

The Tory party
Labour for Lexiters

I do not judge people who voted Leave but I will certainly judge those who vote for a fascist party

borntobequiet · 07/05/2019 08:02

Farage doesn't believe a word of that global conspiracy shit. But he knows that many BREX inclined voters will, so he spouts it.

Iambuffy · 07/05/2019 08:06

If you vote Brexit party you are knowingly voting for a racist, fascist group.

All the bleating in the world after the event wont change that.

Leavers = this isn't what I wanted! (Economic meltdown, global reputation in tatters, destruction of the NHS...)

So what did you expect?

Nigel Farage is ON RECORD saying the NHS has to go.

Back to the 1930s for all of us women too...maternity pay will go if he and his olk get their way One of the few times your beloved leader voted in the EU parliament was against more maternity rights.
he couldn't be bothered to turn up most if the time

And who is funding this fucker? And why?

Littlespaces · 07/05/2019 08:15

Voting BREX is voting fascist - shame on you

You have a choice of other Brexit-supporting parties who are NOT fascist:

The Tory party
Labour for Lexiters

I do not judge people who voted Leave but I will certainly judge those who vote for a fascist party

I completely agree.

prettybird · 07/05/2019 08:20

I can't believe that I'm typing this in semi very qualified support of Farage ShockBlush, but it is possible to vote for a party (and its MPs) who don't want to be there. That's the case with SNP MPs (and SF and I presume Plaid Cymru).

The difference is that the SNP MPs do bother to turn up, contribute to debates and select committees and are generally pretty hard working at WM. Smile

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