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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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EweSurname · 14/03/2019 13:33

Jessica Elgot
‏*@jessicaelgot*
New - Phil Wilson tells me he is abstaining on People’s Vote amendment because of the timing. Big ref supporter. He is behind the yet-to-be-put Kyle-Wilson amendment which would approve the deal subject to a second referendum. Very significant that group backing Labour position.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 13:33

I have about 1 glass mulled cider per 2 weeks
BUT
I hope Lindt have planned an extra production run .... Blush

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 13:35

Alastair Campbell & others saying PV is too early
If this makes some supporters abstain, it could give the impression that support is lower than it is

phpolly · 14/03/2019 13:35

having a hard time listening to Lidington - terrible orator

67chevvyimpala · 14/03/2019 13:38

Pmk

MadAboutWands · 14/03/2019 13:41

PMK

littlemonkeyface · 14/03/2019 13:44

PMK

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/03/2019 13:44

Although I'm fantasising about beer and whiskey in the evenings. I'm doing all of this week without any alcohol at all. I've no idea how I'm managing it.

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 13:45

{It has to be a long extension, but goodness knows how supermarkets, pharmaceutical companies, manufacturing etc are going to maintain stockpiles and warehousing for such a long time. It's going to cost them so much money.}
The UK public are paying of course.

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 13:46

Ta red

Lisette1940 · 14/03/2019 13:48

Go raibh maith agat Red. Or ta in English X.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/03/2019 13:51

Is it me, or does Anna Soubry have a rather sexy voice? Blush

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 13:51

DD trying to do maths homework and stuck on area of a triangular prism. I used to know this stuff but my head hurts too much and it won't compute 😩

HighestMountains · 14/03/2019 13:53

Reeeeeeeeeeeevoooooooooooooke

PMK

67chevvyimpala · 14/03/2019 13:53

🙄😩😮 Im getting a bit worried about some of us! 😂

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 13:57

So which way do people want the amendments to go?

Hasenstein · 14/03/2019 13:59

PMK for the now daily new thread. Don't know about anyone else, but I'm nackered by it all. These past years have really taken their toll on my mental equilibrium.

icannotremember · 14/03/2019 14:00

I'm starting to feel a little bit better about this. For some reason I thought a no to PV today would kill it for good; it's being made pretty clear to me now that there are plans in place to go for one later on whatever happens today.

All the arguments against a PV have validity, and believe me I share people's concerns. I still want one. I still desperately hope for one. And if we get one, it really is on all of us who want to remain to go all out for that.

Loving KS.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 14/03/2019 14:00

Pmk

Littlespaces · 14/03/2019 14:00

Stopped work for a break.

I have a major headache. The pace of information is overwhelming.

DarlingNikita · 14/03/2019 14:01

Is it me, or does Anna Soubry have a rather sexy voice?

Yes, she does!

MissMalice · 14/03/2019 14:02

PMK

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 14/03/2019 14:03

Is it me, or does Anna Soubry have a rather sexy voice?

I liked her voice yesterday when she was putting that twerp Gove in his place after his jibe about barristers.

CordeliaEarhart · 14/03/2019 14:04

sparkly, the surface area of a triangular prism is just the surface area of each face added together. So two triangles and three rectangles.

Thanks for the new thread RTB, and for the link to the speaker's explanation. Might show that to my form tomorrow morning. They are obsessed with Brexit!

67chevvyimpala · 14/03/2019 14:05

Stop talking about maths!!!

im not well enough

😩😷