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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 14/03/2019 14:09

PMK. Again. Blimey.

67chevvyimpala · 14/03/2019 14:14

cordelia my son and his friends are too. And with self ID.

I'm proud to say they think both are utter bollocks 😁❤

dontcallmelen · 14/03/2019 14:18

Thanks Red.

yolofish · 14/03/2019 14:19

Is 2 days (for the last thread) a record? I have no idea what I am supposed to want from any of today's shit, apart from Revoke which doesnt seem to be on the table yet ...

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 14:21

Aye in favour of stop talking about math 😄

Have a tequila chevvy numbs the throat and clears everything...!

LonelyandTiredandLow · 14/03/2019 14:25

For those of you who enjoy Soubry's voice. Sane person talking! .

CordeliaEarhart · 14/03/2019 14:25

Sorry chevvy - the teacher in me often simply must help when people are stuck on maths!

Yes, the 6th form are mostly anti-Brexit and it is incredibly hard to remain politically neutral when I feel so strongly. That's why I share things like the link posted upthread. It is a simple, factual explanation and they can choose for themselves how fair the speaker is being in the selection of amendments. They are also desperate to vote, which is a good thing given the historic low turnout of young voters.

67chevvyimpala · 14/03/2019 14:26

hazard I've got port?

A few hours sleep would help but not only am I coughing but the kids too.

Ds1 is now on antibiotics.

I feel like I should paint a red cross on the door! ❌

dontcallmelen · 14/03/2019 14:27

Yy not knowing what I’m supposed to want from any of thes amendments/votes.
I apologise for my lack of understanding & no doubt ignorance, but can anyone explain why the DUP have so far appeared to be in favour of a hard brexit & don’t seem to want the option of SM/CU soft brexit or even a PV, when the majority in NI voted to remain are they not at odds with most of the electorate want, thank you.

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 14:27

{Stop talking about maths!!!}
How about a song then. '10 gin bottles, sitting on the shelf'.
If your not up to singing just think about them.

Backwoodsgirl · 14/03/2019 14:29

It's going to be no deal,

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 14:31

I'm afraid you 'girls' can keep Anna Soubry. The content may be OK but not the voice.

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 14:33

{They are also desperate to vote, which is a good thing given the historic low turnout of young voters.}
This, and an understanding of manipulation on social media (and enough background knowledge to counter it) would be a great start for a reformed UK.

67chevvyimpala · 14/03/2019 14:36

I had the "hubris, nemesis, catharsis" talk with ds1 yesterday.

I think he agrees:(

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 14:36

chevvy it's with a try but I'm doubtful port has the strength to burn germs and mucus away...best to drink a lot of it to give it more umph.

prettybird · 14/03/2019 14:36

Do you remember in the early days of A50 being invoked when it was said that the end of October, end of November at a stretch, which the absolute latest date by which a deal had to be agreed, in order to have sufficient time to get the appropriate approvals ShockConfused

Royal Cats place relaxing on a mat rug Wink

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
TalkinPaece · 14/03/2019 14:36

Place Marking with my Compost Heap cat. She knew how to cope with a crisis.

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
Littlespaces · 14/03/2019 14:39

What is happening with the Second Referendum Amendment? There seems to be some sort of confusion.

Has it been pulled?
Is there enough support for it?

Will it get another chance later?

ContinuityError · 14/03/2019 14:41

Here’s my PMK.

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
DGRossetti · 14/03/2019 14:41

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67chevvyimpala · 14/03/2019 14:42

What a beautiful cat continuity

truthisarevolutionaryact · 14/03/2019 14:48

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BlueEyeshadow · 14/03/2019 14:50

Does anyone know which statement Ian Dunt is talking about here?

"Starmer now reads out the official People's Vote statement from earlier. So there it is: People's Vote, by putting out that statement, have given Labour an out. Ridiculous."

"That People's Vote statement really was so powerfully foolish. They've fucked it. And all because they are being utterly inflexible."

LonelyandTiredandLow · 14/03/2019 14:52

Although the ref was so badly manipulated I find it hard to think about a GE. I'm not sure Russia is satisfied with us just being outside EU, esp if we haven't left by the time of another GE.