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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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YeOldeTrout · 16/03/2019 19:11

Evie the Cabinet Office Cat has some very funny Brexit commentary over cat Gifs (twitter).

SparklySneakers · 16/03/2019 19:12

DUP says issues remain over deal:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47597093

It's not in the bag yet.

mathanxiety · 16/03/2019 19:13

Lonely
I thought it was the one country that was safe and had managed to make some amends for the past and managed diversity, tolerance and respect as an example to the rest of the world.
It's nothing to do with immigration is it? - it's to do with white supremacy.

Everywhere you look, immigration and progressive values are all right and mighty fine as long as the unspoken assumption that whites will still be Top Of The Heap is still the unwritten law of the land.

Immigrants are prey to delusions of superiority, and paranoia, every bit as much as anyone else is.

SusanWalker · 16/03/2019 19:32

Does anyone else think that the Nick Boles situation sums up the current state of the Tory party perfectly?

He has voted consistently for TMs deal and is only against leaving with no deal. Yet this is grounds for deselection. Following his own party policy.

Quintella · 16/03/2019 19:49

Some great photos from the March to Leave on Twitter. How bleak is this sad little scene. Very Martin Parr in style!

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
SleightOfMind · 16/03/2019 19:50

Red I’m in London. I’ll be working for some of the March but am pondering whether to come for a bit of it.

ElenadeClermont · 16/03/2019 19:56

Robert Peston:

DUP MPs and politicians increasingly seem embarrassed by their central role in derailing Brexit, and ministers are therefore hopeful that just possibly they will cease their opposition

And when I ask government members what else could mollify Northern Ireland’s main unionist party, they text me emojis of dollars bills.

www.itv.com/news/2019-03-16/dont-bet-therell-be-a-third-vote-on-theresa-mays-deal/

YeOldeTrout · 16/03/2019 19:56

Hartlepool to Middlesborough tomorrow. Can't Wait! (?)

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
SusanWalker · 16/03/2019 19:57

I am loving Isabel Oakshott trying to pretend that they limited numbers on purpose. Hilarious.

SusanWalker · 16/03/2019 19:59

I'm almost grateful to NF for providing some comic relief to offset the stress.

TheElementsSong · 16/03/2019 20:04

I am loving Isabel Oakshott trying to pretend that they limited numbers on purpose. Hilarious.

Dare I say, typical Leaver? "We knew we were always intending for only a few dozen people to turn up, and for our dear leader to scarper pathetically after a short stroll!"

SleightOfMind · 16/03/2019 20:04

I actually had a tiny twinge of sympathy for Farage. It’s such an unqualified disaster.
Oakshott wont care she’s been caught out in a blatant lie. She just barrels on and on spraying misinformation.
She’s busy being called out as inciting Islamophobia now anyway. Genuinely loathsome nonentity, whose managed to grab some attention by courting controversy.
I hate that she describes herself as a journalist too.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/03/2019 20:07

What a pathetic shower Leave are !

I know we have all been worried about Farage / UKIP and EP elections or a GE after Brexit is delayed / cancelled

However, I am wondering if he is a busted flush electorally,
especially as the UKIP vote is now split with his new party.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but although we might see some bullyboys rioting on the streets,
I doubt if Kippers & co could organise themselves sufficiently to get MPs, or to retain their MEPs

Quintella · 16/03/2019 20:09

I actually had a tiny twinge of sympathy for Farage.

Three stiff sherries and 24 hr bed rest and you'll hopefully be fully recovered from this ailment.

TheElementsSong · 16/03/2019 20:09

I'm assuming that for the final leg in London (assuming clement weather), alongside Farage there will be a good few dozen more turning out (yellow vests optional) for the photo-ops. At which point the narrative will be that all of them were there marching from the very start proving the overwhelming strength-of-feeling of the True BeLeavers, and it was always so, etc.

lonelyplanetmum · 16/03/2019 20:09

Red you should definitely come - you're a bit of an anonymous celebrity you know!

BlackeyedGruesome · 16/03/2019 20:10

They are planning about 20 miles a day? ( Looking at bits I recognise)

Quintella · 16/03/2019 20:11

But yes, Oakshott is a loathsome creature. No doubt she'll be back on QT next week. She seems to job share with Hartley Brewer.

mathanxiety · 16/03/2019 20:12

MadAboutWands Fri 15-Mar-19 08:59:30
What the f* is the relationship between Muslims living in Christchurch in NZ and Macron in France?

It's all global, innit?

The plot goes thus:
Muslims are plotting to take over every corner of the world. It's the corner mosque today and Sharia Law pushed down everybody's throat tomorrow.

Western tools like Merkel and Macron can't see the truth and have opened doors through which the 'hordes' as depicted in Farage's execrable poster stream through.

Enter the clear-sighted hero from his echo chamber at stage right, equipped with a souped up gun and leaving behind his testimony.

SusanWalker · 16/03/2019 20:19

Looking at the footage many of the marchers look totally unprepared. They are wearing clothes that are totally unsuitable for the weather. I hope they have the st. John's ambulance in attendance.

I wonder how many people will still be walking tomorrow.

Hasenstein · 16/03/2019 20:23

"Red you should definitely come - you're a bit of an anonymous celebrity you know!"

And what else are we going to do with all those toothbrushes we got last time? Grin

HesterThrale · 16/03/2019 20:25

Yay, Red! Come on the march!

Robert Peston, who puts very good Brexit analysis on Facebook, has stopped for now:

Until Facebook takes convincing steps to sort out its system and procedures for removing poisonous material from its platforms in a timely fashion, I won’t be posting original content here. But you can read my latest Brexit column here: www.itv.com/news/2019-03-16/dont-bet-therell-be-a-third-vote-on-theresa-mays-deal/

Roughly speaking, he says TM will only hold the vote if she can be certain of such a small majority against her that she’d then hold it a 4th time. (If Bercow lets her.)

Quintella · 16/03/2019 20:26

Ask this child if you can borrow her costume.

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
cherin · 16/03/2019 20:28

susan let’s just see if Darwin’s theory of natural selection has some fundament :-)

Jokes aside. What are the odds this week? How many labour MPs are being targeted to break rank? And when is Boris going to push his head above the parapet? That’s the first vote I want to check at this mv3...

SwedishEdith · 16/03/2019 20:28

The Gammonball Run images have been fantastic. This of Farage opting out. Superb.

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!