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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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BoswellsBonkersBrexshit · 14/03/2019 14:53

PMK, thanks red Star

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 14:54

Ffs I went back to the old thread. It confuses me having 2 threads going.

ContinuityError · 14/03/2019 14:56

67chevvyimpala she’s a (very demanding) lilac point Siamese.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 14/03/2019 14:56

Hazard I went out with a Polish guy for a few months, years ago, who had various spirits for ailments. It was a good excuse for a tummy ache/head cold tipple at any rate Grin. I mention it as I'm sure he used the same term "burning off the germs" - personally just made me care less about feeling rubbish Grin.
No booze here tonight sadly.

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 14:57

Here's the full statement:

The People's Vote campaign does not instruct its supporters in Parliament on how to vote. We recognise there is a range of opinions on when to press the case for the public being given the final say, which means some of these MPs will vote for the Wollaston amendment, some may vote against, and some will abstain.
But we do not think today is the right time to test the will of the House on the case for a new public vote. Instead, this is the time for Parliament to declare it wants an extension of Article 50 so that, after two-and-a-half years of vexed negotiations, our political leaders can finally decide on what Brexit means.
That is because a People's Vote is not just another option in this Brexit crisis - it is a solution to this crisis. When the real costs of Brexit are measured up against the broken promises made for it in 2016, we believe Parliament will have better opportunities to decide it is only fair and reasonable to give the public a real say on this crucial decision for our country.

GiveMeSteam · 14/03/2019 14:58

PMK

golondrina · 14/03/2019 15:01

PMK

TalkinPaece · 14/03/2019 15:02

For those with a warped sense of humour
www.crowdfunder.co.uk/march-to-leave

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 15:03

Government whipping against all amendments

Labour whipping to abstain on PV

(statement from PV irrelevant. Labour leadership made clear they didn't support PV last night anyway)

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Motheroffourdragons · 14/03/2019 15:04

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PestyMachtubernahme · 14/03/2019 15:07

What have I missed?
Has the EU already granted a two week extension?
Why vote after the 29th and not before?
Why not just spend the weekend in Strasbourg and borrow modern voting facilities?

@faisalislam

NEW Lidington: Government facilitate two week indicative vote process in April
...IF longer extension agreed, meaningful vote goes down, and UK takes part in European elections

Tusk is on the case.

Donald Tusk
@eucopresident
During my consultations ahead of #EUCO, I will appeal to the EU27 to be open to a long extension if the UK finds it necessary to rethink its #Brexit strategy and build consensus around it.

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 15:12

But isn't the Benn amendment an indicative vote? So if it passes, they are saying it won't be until April?

TalkinPaece · 14/03/2019 15:13

Government whipping against all amendments
They will pass then Grin

SwedishEdith · 14/03/2019 15:18

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GroovieGazelloo · 14/03/2019 15:24

Government whipping against all amendments

They will pass then grin

Haha ! Excellent GrinGrin
Thanks again Red

Miljah · 14/03/2019 15:25

Talkin - love the CrowdFunder! Grin

Flowerplower · 14/03/2019 15:25

PmKatz

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
tobee · 14/03/2019 15:28

Trump commenting on Brexit Hmm

He'd have come up with the best deal coz he's a very intelligent person and the best deal maker. And hand in hand with Russia

SusanWalker · 14/03/2019 15:30

The EU would eat Trump for dinner, having eaten May for breakfast.

BiglyBadgers · 14/03/2019 15:31

For a moment I thought your cats were attached at the tail flower

BiglyBadgers · 14/03/2019 15:32

Here is my cat for the day. Grin

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
TalkinPaece · 14/03/2019 15:33

This just popped up on my FB feed

Flowerplower · 14/03/2019 15:34

That's hilarious, I hadn't noticed until you pointed it out but it does look that way, BiglyBadgers. Fortunately these cats are not actually joined so very easy to separate, unlike the UK and EU (sorry, it was crying out for an analogy but that is the best I can do).

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 15:34

lonelyandtired you went out with a very wise polish man Grin

DGRossetti · 14/03/2019 15:36

Trump commenting on Brexit hmm He'd have come up with the best deal coz he's a very intelligent person and the best deal maker. And hand in hand with Russia

Don't knock it ... that's the perfect reason he can give for doing his own reverse ferret on Brexit if it starts causing him problems at home (which it will if the GFA starts being fucked around with).