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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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wheresmymojo · 14/03/2019 13:18

There's nothing exciting on that paper though...very standard 'three lines of defence' model to managing risks on Brexit Projects.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 14/03/2019 13:19

Just for a little light relief.
@haveigotnews
BREAKING: Brexit extension likely to be the end of May.

TokyoSushi · 14/03/2019 13:19

PMK - 5pm you say?

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 13:20

twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/1106182550974795776

Interesting tweet!
Its a video of Bercow explaining how he selects amendments.

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FiddleFaddleDingDong · 14/03/2019 13:22

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 13:22

End of May is not enough time, except for May to keep pushing her WA every week until it passes.

Liddington said a few mins ago that if the WA doesn't pass on Wednesday, then there'll be a long extension
Presumably that means until at least EOY
So EP elections

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 13:23

It strikes me from the Bercow vid that amendment b was impermisiable as it didn't relate properly to the motion (as in it wasn't about an extension explicitly).

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/03/2019 13:24

It has to be a long extension, but goodness knows how supermarkets, pharmaceutical companies, manufacturing etc are going to maintain stockpiles and warehousing for such a long time. It's going to cost them so much money.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 13:24

Yes, right amendment at the wrong time
Maybe next week

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/03/2019 13:25

Sparkly, off to the gp with you.

TatianaLarina · 14/03/2019 13:25

BREAKING: Brexit extension likely to be the end of May.

There are two ways of reading that. Wink

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 13:25

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Are the DUP on the move? @DUPleader tells us they're in talks with govt, 'we want to make sure we get there' and 'when you come to end of a negotiation that's when you start to see the whites in people's eyes and you get down to point where you can make a deal'

Arlene Foster says to get DUP to sign up, deal must show "the constitutional integrity of the UK is the same and we have a strong say in the future” - she's still setting conditions, but sounding more open to budge (remember too she's been seeing Varadkar in last 24 hours)

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LouiseCollins28 · 14/03/2019 13:26

The prospect of amendment j) Bryant's one passing and nothing else passing? That really would be sticky IMO.

The "No Dealers" could vote to prevent "MV III" with the intent of "No deal" by default while other pro-remain MPs could be backing it because they don't want the Withdrawal Agreement to be passed.

Quite why we have e) and i) being put to a vote puzzles me, they seem to be asking for essentially the same thing.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 13:27

Same manufacturing firms, e.g. cars, have organised Brexit shutdowns for early maintenance
They'd keep those, because can't cancel now:
workers booked holidays, contracts signed with maintenance contractors etc

Stockpiling ... Ouch !

QueenMabby · 14/03/2019 13:27

PMK.
I have about 6 bottles of Gin in my kitchen. Happy to share....

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 13:27

Just realised, I wrote "End of May"
Well, maybe Smile

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 13:27

So from the Bercow tweet, given that B had over 100 people supporting it, shouldn't it have been chosen? Or is that what H) opens up then it would be something like b) selected?

FusionChefGeoff · 14/03/2019 13:28

My yeast will go off!

jasjas1973 · 14/03/2019 13:28

BCF - i think a 18month to 2 year extension, makes having the UK in the EP more acceptable.

Whether the UK will accept this is another matter.

think the Brexit extension likely to be the end of May is from Have i got news for you lol!

FriendOrFaux · 14/03/2019 13:29

Does the Tiggers amendment include a requirement for a by-election for their constituents at the same time? Or is that the wrong sort of people's vote on this occasion?

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 13:29

xposts with many! can see b) would be out of scope, yes. Need to keep scrolling back!

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 13:30

What conditions can Arlene set ?

None with the EU - negotiations are OVER
Maybe wants written guarantees about what a future UK govt would do ... and another bung

icannotremember · 14/03/2019 13:30

Pmk

Trying to convince myself that I don't need alcohol to get through tonight. In keeping with these times, am losing the argument with myself. My liver is going to be like a brick by 29 March, whatever the outcome to all this is.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 13:31

Sparkly 💐 You need to see the GP again

DarlingNikita · 14/03/2019 13:32

PMK