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Westministenders: May dug a deep stinky hole and UK politics has tumbled in

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/01/2019 15:17

May almost certainly won't resign even after this huge defeat.

She's survived umpteen other humiliating defeats.
Her record strongly suggests she'll cling on to office with broken fingernails until Brexit (or Revoke) happens

After the ERG failed to topple her last month, she can legally stay as Tory party leader at least until December.
Besides, would any of her likely successors as Tory Party leader - Leadsome, Boris, JRM, Gove - be any better ... or bring even worse horrors ?

Corbyn has called a No Confidence vote
NC debate to be held at 7pm today.

He'll lose, because the DUP and the ERG - who voted down her WA - have genuine Confidence in her, of course 🤔

The Labour Party conference agreed their policy would be to get a GE, but failing that to go for a PV.
However, Corbyns latest statement is still against a PV
Will he finally give in, or try to out-stubborn May ?

The HoC doesn't want No Deal - but can't yet agree what they do want.
if they and / or May don't specifically choose something else, then No Deal is what automatically happens

May had told the cabinet she'd just keep pushing the WA, but it's now a dead parrot of a WA.

So she's "reaching out" to the other parties whom she's rudely rejected for the last 2.5 years
Maybe ongoing cross-party talks will ignore her and succeed on agreeing a new approach
BUT
The EU have said they will only renegotiate if the UK drops some of its red lines
Otherwise it's either this unchange WA or No Deal

Many analysts think this impasse means that May will have to ask the EU for an A50 extension.
She keeps saying she won't delay Brexit - but after she became PM she kept denying she'd hold a GE, right up until she announced it.

EU officials have hinted they would extend until the end of June.
However, an extension would have to be unanimously approved.
Would any of the 27 countries veto, in exasperation with the UK's ridiculous performance the last 2 years ?

I know on Westministenders we're all exasperated with it !

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1tisILeClerc · 17/01/2019 14:58

To be fair it was only a 3/10, not one of the best.

DGRossetti · 17/01/2019 15:01

To be fair MNHQ did cite it back to me, so I know exactly what it was.

funny, Remainers get called traitors, enemies of the people and exhorted to "fuck off to Europe if you like it so much", but a bit of whimsical musing on karma, and - instant deletion.

Let's test a theory:

Nigel Farage is a cunt.

DGRossetti · 17/01/2019 15:02

Boris Johnson ... is a cunt.

DGRossetti · 17/01/2019 15:02

Michael Gove is a cunt.

borntobequiet · 17/01/2019 15:03

I bet Sarah Vine reads this thread. All Mail journos/columnists do, I expect.

borntobequiet · 17/01/2019 15:03

But I wouldn’t be nasty about her.

TheElementsSong · 17/01/2019 15:05

You have to have some sympathy with Sarah Vine. She has to sleep with Gove. (Maybe he's a cunning linguist?)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2019 15:07

None of that was my work marmot - I just copied and pasted David Allen Green's tweets!

1tisILeClerc · 17/01/2019 15:08

Sleeping is the easy bit, having to be awake may be more challenging.
It always was a weird expression anyway.

1tisILeClerc · 17/01/2019 15:09

A bit like Leaving is 'Best for Britain'.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2019 15:09

Paul Brand
‏*@PaulBrandITV*
NEW: Jeremy Corbyn has sent an email to all Labour MPs appealing for them not to speak to the government until No Deal is off the table. “I urge colleagues to respect that position and refrain from engagement.”

Westministenders: May dug a deep stinky hole and UK politics has tumbled in
SwedishEdith · 17/01/2019 15:09

Wonder why they're getting twitchy now (didn't see it, tbf) but were very relaxed about the 'Turkey is joining the EU', 'Your children will be FORCED to fight in an EU army' etc. threads?

QueenMabby · 17/01/2019 15:10

@Yoksha
That is sad. It’s one of the (many?) nasty sides of this Brexit debacle that people feel unwelcome. Bigs hugs to your dgd.

SillySallySingsSongs · 17/01/2019 15:12

Vince Cable confirmed that they won't support Labour in any more no confidence votes in the government.

SusanWalker · 17/01/2019 15:22

JC also running down the clock whilst looking like he's trying to save us from brexit?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/01/2019 15:23

Vince Cable confirmed that they won't support Labour in any more no confidence votes in the government.

Is Vince hoping that Treeza will pick just him so they can all blame the LibDems again and get them down to 1 MP lol Grin

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/01/2019 15:23

JC also running down the clock whilst looking like he's trying to save us from brexit?

How?

SusanWalker · 17/01/2019 15:28

Well we leave with no deal in a matter of weeks by default. If nothing else can be got through parliament we are screwed. Nothing is going to be put to parliament unless TM thinks it will get through, for which she needs Jeremy onside. If he puts off having talks the time slips away and crash. At which point Jeremy says look at what they did, I told them I would talk to them but they wouldn't.

TatianaLarina · 17/01/2019 15:30

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borntobequiet · 17/01/2019 15:33

Saw JC’s speech while in gym. Is it normal not to answer questions from journalists afterwards?
Just sorted my little stockpile. It makes sense and I try to be prepared anyway as I live off the beaten track (last year got snowed in for four days before Xmas and had to live on Stilton cheese, crackers, mince pies and a rather nice Merlot, after Xmas snowed in again and lived off similar, except leftovers). Anyway was feeling quite pleased with myself until I remembered the main reason why I was doing it and felt like crying.
Here’s a picture of my (other) cat. (It’s not a cage, it’s the end of my bed).

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Motheroffourdragons · 17/01/2019 15:33

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/01/2019 15:34

Susan but thats entirely up to May isnt it, if shes is unwilling to compromise and is happy to have the country crash out then on her and her parties head be it

Motheroffourdragons · 17/01/2019 15:36

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thecatfromjapan · 17/01/2019 15:37

I don't think that's accurate, Susan.

The EU are expecting a request for A50 to be extended.

That doesn't need negotiation with the other parties.

There's a PV Bill coming up.

That doesn't need negotiation with other parties.

All the other parties, save the DUP, are refusing to go along with May's charade of X-Party talks.

In effect, nothing has changed: intransigent PM; ticking clock; unworkable proposal.

I'm not sure that Corbyn refusing to provide s fig-leaf is the correct focus of your ire.

Honestly.

thecatfromjapan · 17/01/2019 15:38

born 💐💐💐💐💐

I know what you mean. I'm stressed.

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