Covid: Liverpool's intensive care wards full of young unvaccinated patients

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Apologies if this has already been posted, I had a quick look down the thread list and didn't see any title that suggested it had

www.itv.com/news/granada/2021-12-22/covid-liverpools-intensive-care-wards-full-of-young-unvaccinated-patients

They say all patients on the ward are between the ages of 30 and 40 - with not one vaccinated against the deadly virus.

Well, maybe they may consider getting the vaccine wheb they recover 🤷‍♂️

Awful- those poor NHS staff

Of course I do also have sympathy with the patients. They took a gamble and it ended badly for them. How very sad.

I hope other people who have refused the vaccine will change their mind.

It does feel like those who are still unvaccinated will not be swayed by that kind of image. Of course they all think it won't happen to them, they will not believe those people had no underlying conditions.

Ironically the unvaccinated are a in vulnerable category simply by being unvaxxed.

To be fair, it might not be their choice. Pregnant women were initially advised not to get vaccinated. Some people are allergic to the ingredients. If you're ill and miss your vaccine slot it can be hard to get another, especially if you don't drive.

We had an unusually large number of 'first timers' at our vaccination centre today - happy to see.

I wonder how many of them have underlying conditions?

I'm local to here and know a nurse in this ICU. To clarify:

Most in ICU are younger given older people with comorbitities often are not prioritised for ICU - doctors are making decisions as to who gets such treatment. This is 100% happening which many don't realise.

Most young people unvaccinated I know wont change their mind as theyve dug their heels in too much - most just being stubborn now and wanting to save face

@HotPenguin

To be fair, it might not be their choice. Pregnant women were initially advised not to get vaccinated. Some people are allergic to the ingredients. If you're ill and miss your vaccine slot it can be hard to get another, especially if you don't drive.

Vaccines have been freely available to all age groups since June. My 23 year old was double vaxxed by July. Every town and city has walk ins. Areas of low take up even put on buses. If they were ill the'd manage to get to a doctor. The advice for pregnant women changed many moths ago.

Anyone who didn't get a vaccine in six months has chosen not to.

Also worth noting there are 100 patients in Liverpool hospitals with covid - there were over 550 last winter. There are 9 on ventilation compared to 40 last winter. Not saying its ok but to at least put into perspective.

@paranoidnamechanger the article helpfully tells you that none had underlying conditions.

@paranoidnamechanger

I wonder how many of them have underlying conditions?

Covid Bingo.

If you say this often enough you can convince yourself it would never happen to you, only the undeserving sick and weak.

The press release says none.
Perhaps the anti vaxxers will suggest they have underlying conditions they didn't know about - so could anyone.

@Watapalava

Also worth noting there are 100 patients in Liverpool hospitals with covid - there were over 550 last winter. There are 9 on ventilation compared to 40 last winter. Not saying its ok but to at least put into perspective.

But surely that contradicts your previous post? If there is ICU and ventilator capacity, why are older people automatically being turned away for beds at the moment?

@HotPenguin

To be fair, it might not be their choice. Pregnant women were initially advised not to get vaccinated. Some people are allergic to the ingredients. If you're ill and miss your vaccine slot it can be hard to get another, especially if you don't drive.

They've been prioritised for the vaccine and advised to get it as one of the most vulnerable groups since early March at least, if not before v

It’s very sad and very unnecessary due to vaccines. The variety of reasons why people are not vaccinated needs to be addressed.

Because they often don't have the provision available given they made room last winter. Staffing issues for ventilation beds. Also they know more about outcomes now and basically they know who's going to take a ventilation bed for weeks and not survive so they don't even get offered one

The ICU in my trust has been like that for months. They’ve much lower numbers than this time last year ( vaccines work) but it’s mostly unvaccinated people under 60. We’ve had people as young as 18 too.

The vaccines have been around a good year now so most have made their decisions. They absolutely work for a huge majority for severe illness but because people can still catch covid they don’t believe in them. It’s crazy.

I’m 32 and unvaccinated because of a severe needle phobia, but trying my best to work up the courage to go after Christmas. I’m terrified of the jab and terrified of ending up in ICU.

@ajandjjmum

We had an unusually large number of 'first timers' at our vaccination centre today - happy to see.

That’s great news, I hope it continues. I do still know some people my age (30s) who are very anti vaccine and I don’t think anything other than covid hitting themselves or a close family member hard would change their mind at this stage. The vaccine hesitant (pregnant etc) have all chosen vaccination now.

My 17 yr old is having his second shot tomorrow and not because he is vulnerable or scared of ending up in ICU. ( already had Covid).

@ComtesseDeSpair for some reason I can’t quote your post. Ventilation and ICU treatment is quite brutal on the body. It isn’t all about age. it’s about how your body can take that kind of treatment. My mum was told in her late 50s she wouldn’t be eligible for ventilation as her body couldn’t take it due to her health conditions.

Patients are assessed by critical care doctors not just assumed because of age. However the more elderly you are and the more serious health conditions you have the less likely ICU would help in the long term recovery of any illness.

If you say this often enough you can convince yourself it would never happen to you, only the undeserving sick and weak.The press release says none. Perhaps the anti vaxxers will suggest they have underlying conditions they didn't know about - so could anyone.

I don’t need to say it often enough since I have decent protection from Covid anyway and am very healthy. But an article from ITV won’t give you much a picture about the reasons and - yes - they or some had underlying conditions they didn’t know about.

It’s OK to question the media, especially now with their ongoing Project Fear campaign.

[quote Rainbows246]@ComtesseDeSpair for some reason I can’t quote your post. Ventilation and ICU treatment is quite brutal on the body. It isn’t all about age. it’s about how your body can take that kind of treatment. My mum was told in her late 50s she wouldn’t be eligible for ventilation as her body couldn’t take it due to her health conditions.

Patients are assessed by critical care doctors not just assumed because of age. However the more elderly you are and the more serious health conditions you have the less likely ICU would help in the long term recovery of any illness.[/quote]
Fair enough, makes sense. If people are unlikely to survive ventilation then I think it’s a positive medical decision to opt for palliative care only regardless of ICU capacity, although I’m sure others will disagree.

@Honeyhorse

I’m 32 and unvaccinated because of a severe needle phobia, but trying my best to work up the courage to go after Christmas. I’m terrified of the jab and terrified of ending up in ICU.

I have read this a lot on here, you don't even see a needle and you feel nothing, it over in around 5 seconds, You should try and get some help with this as unfortunately as we age there is a higher chance you will need medical treatment involving needles

@paranoidnamechanger

I wonder how many of them have underlying conditions?

none according to the clip. It's pretty well researched by now that a certain genetic combination puts people at high risk of critical illness in Covid as do certain healths statuses that are not considered illness states. If the two come together that can be particularly bad.

Look back at the history of any disease that caused death and disability to some but not all, e.g. TB and it will all seem familiar.