Independent sage: circuit breaker lockdown needed now

[XmasGoose]

I see Independent Sage have said that an immediate circuit breaker lockdown is needed to protect the NHS.

This would involve a total ban on household mixing, all bars, restaurants and indoor venues closing and schools shutting early for Christmas.

Is this needed now to protect the NHS and save lives? Personally I wouldn’t comply with another lockdown.

twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1471160024005324804?s=21

Independent sage are always calling for lockdowns, they don't care what havoc it would cause.

Independent Sage can get fucked.

Where can I send them a ton of , because I will not be told who I can and can not see.

Schools shutting early for Christmas 🤷‍♀️ All the schools where I live finish on Friday anyway!

It's laughable that they actually think people would comply with that.

Nope.

@AD80

Schools shutting early for Christmas 🤷‍♀️ All the schools where I live finish on Friday anyway!

23rd for DS! His year group are having a Christmas party that day. He's so excited, I just hope it goes ahead.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Independent Sage can get fucked.

My thoughts precisely. They exist to keep themselves in the limelight and serve no purpose whatsoever as far as I can tell other than to whip up excess fear.

Its end of term here on Friday lunch time so a bit late I would say.

It's not that i would wilfully ignore the rules and let's be honest theres some rules that are impossible to ignore. But, meh. I must admit that the Matt Hancock thing makes it all feel like a massive piss take. If my mate wanted to met up in her garden for her mental health, I would think twice for example. I complied 100% back before I knew this would go for years.

Ummm no

It'll be a tad late but it might mean Xmas isn't too bad.

They’re not asking whether people would comply, that’s not their job, they’re saying that’s what’s needed.

Maybe if everyone had been able to hear Chris Whitty’s warning to politicians yesterday that hospitals may have to stop admitting people by 15 January, people would comply?

@Waxonwaxoff0

Independent Sage can get fucked.

😂 yep

Not all schools finish this week, many are going right up until next week.

Independent Sage are massive drama llamas.

I'm sorry but no. If they're going to shut down public businesses, that must come with furlough and plenty of economic support. Household mixing and schools should be the last things to be banned - human connection, and children's education and wellbeing are fundamental rights, not a nice-to-have.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Independent Sage can get fucked.

Very much this.

Personally I’d be very reluctant to support another lockdown because of the harms they cause to society and the economy.

Now that most people are triple jabbed, I don’t see how we can continue this cycle of lockdowns indefinitely as there is no end point.

Sensible precautions like opening windows, masks in some settings and hand washing, yes, but other than that I think we just need to get on with it.

human connection, and children's education and wellbeing are fundamental rights, not a nice-to-have

I don’t disagree but so’s access to basic functioning healthcare provision.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Independent Sage can get fucked.

Basically.

Nobody would comply so they can advise whatever crap they like.

No

If we do lock down, experience suggests it will be at the last minute and too late to stop the worst of the damage...

I heard this on the radio earlier and it stuck with me...

"I would rather die living, than live dying"

@Cornettoninja

human connection, and children's education and wellbeing are fundamental rights, not a nice-to-have

I don’t disagree but so’s access to basic functioning healthcare provision.

I take your point completely, but these rights need to be balanced, and it seems that Independent Sage struggle with that - have they done a thorough impact assessment in coming to this conclusion?

They want it? They can pay for it

Even if this does happen, people will not fully comply.

If businesses are shut them there isn’t much that can be done about that (however, I hate to think how many will never open again).

However, this will drive more people to mix again in private homes.

You cannot realistically expect people to stay away from their loved ones forever.

I think they know this which is probably one of the reasons they haven’t dared to restrict social contact. Last years Christmas parties make this even harder for them to even dare suggest.