Independent sage: circuit breaker lockdown needed now

[XmasGoose]

I see Independent Sage have said that an immediate circuit breaker lockdown is needed to protect the NHS.

This would involve a total ban on household mixing, all bars, restaurants and indoor venues closing and schools shutting early for Christmas.

Is this needed now to protect the NHS and save lives? Personally I wouldn’t comply with another lockdown.

twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1471160024005324804?s=21

No chance would O be complying with that.

CovidMakesThingsHarder

There's no answer is there. Everyone would quickly change their minds and ask why more wasn't done if that scenario happened.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Independent Sage can get fucked.

Another agreement

I am honestly of the belief at this point that there are some people who now live for, and thrive on the most negative, and obsessively fixated focus on this entire business. There is a particular colleague who is constantly RT-inf independent sage’s tweets sometimes within seconds of the original tweet before actually reading their links etc. every time she features on my feed she has circulated or liked the most devastating, intense, and worried news and blog stories. She also frequently posts saying how utterly depressed she’s feeling - and there is nothing except covid for the last many months. There are some People who have got attached to lockdowns and feeling very very obsessively attached to this pandemic

Seriously? We KNOW the government won't comply with this so why would we?

I'm done with "saving the NHS". If it wasn't in such a shit state and manifestly so unfit for purpose, it wouldn't need such regular "saving". Why can't there be an honest conversation about this?

Spot on @HesterShaw1

This ought to be put in neon lights at the top of "Active Conversations", as the quote of the day.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Independent Sage can get fucked.

Another vote for this, too.

@Onatree

I am honestly of the belief at this point that there are some people who now live for, and thrive on the most negative, and obsessively fixated focus on this entire business. There is a particular colleague who is constantly RT-inf independent sage’s tweets sometimes within seconds of the original tweet before actually reading their links etc. every time she features on my feed she has circulated or liked the most devastating, intense, and worried news and blog stories. She also frequently posts saying how utterly depressed she’s feeling - and there is nothing except covid for the last many months. There are some People who have got attached to lockdowns and feeling very very obsessively attached to this pandemic

Agree 100%.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Independent Sage can get fucked.

+1

Independent sage can say this because they don't have to weigh up the non medical consequences - well plus mental health.

@CovidMakesThingsHarder

Genuine question? But those against lockdown that think they do them for nothing, even if omicron is mild, but the amount of people hospitalised goes up as numbers do, what happens without a lockdown where you get to a point that so many healthcare staff are off sick, or there just aren’t enough beds. Then your child is in a car accident and an ambulance just doesn’t come, or your 40yr old friend has a heart attack and they can’t take them to treat the clot. That’s why it is, not for any other reason.

My 24 yr old DD waited 13 hours at home alone when self isolating to be assessed by an ambulance for severe chest pain (thankfully turned out not to be a heart attack) and this was in summer when covid in patients were at their lowest level so I wouldn’t think it’s increased infections to blame if someone doesn’t get treatment when needed, it’s been a shambles for a lot longer.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Independent Sage can get fucked.

100% this.

Another vote for SAGE can get fucked. There is no evidence lockdowns even work. There is growing evidence that lockdowns cause more harm than good. Mental health issues, spikes in cancer deaths and heart attacks. The list goes on..

@MrsWarleggan

I'm fed up of being told to "Save The NHS". it's not my responsibility to "Save The NHS". It's our governments responsibility to "Save it" and not criminally under fund it for the past 2 decades.

It made me laugh at the start of the pandemic when they were encouraging retired NHS workers to come back. Here's a thing, try not taking them for granted and treating them like shit and they may not have left/retired in the first bloody place.

So true.

No fucking chance. I really think that businesses might refuse to comply too, we cannot afford another lockdown.

I wouldn't like it, but honestly, if things are as bad as they are portraying I'm mystified as to why we aren't going into lockdown tomorrow.

@BluebellsGreenbells

But the lockdowns will happen by proxy anyway. When whole business needs to close or class groups because there’s no teachers etc -

If it gets much worse so many people will work from home so there’s the lunch trade etc, people are already pulling out of parties., so restaurants and clubs will close as no trade.

It’s not clear cut one or the other.

Someone always trots this out. Yes restaurant A in town B might shut because of lack of waitstaff, or class C in school D. But here’s the key thing as far as the vast majority are concerned: it might not be their restaurant or their child’s school. But in a lockdown, it definitely will affect them. So many people would rather risk it than embrace lockdown.

How is that so hard to understand? It’s a basic risk/benefit assessment and many people have got to the stage where the clear risks to their family of a lockdown outweighs the risks of not locking down. Not just the risk of restaurants closing. But also the risk of having a heart attack and dying waiting for an ambulance starts to seem less bad than the risk of your 12 year old starting to self-harm because she hadn’t seen another child for 6 weeks.

Independent Sage can fuck off and fuck off again with this idea. Sorry, hardly eloquent I know, but I’ve run out of eloquent thoughts about these over-privileged, sanctimonious idiots. They haven’t got the faintest clue how most people live, and less still about what makes most people’s lives joyful and meaningful.

I won’t be complying with any further lockdowns, and neither will anyone else I know, from young families to elderly relatives.

Really interesting to see the difference in opinion now and in the past re potential lockdown. Unless I've missed it, there's not one voice of support on this thread so far. Similar threads last year were very, very different. I wonder how many on this thread have been more supportive of lockdowns in the past? It would be genuinely interesting to know, just to see how much attitudes have changed.

And yeah, the get fucked thing, 100%.

@Onatree

I am honestly of the belief at this point that there are some people who now live for, and thrive on the most negative, and obsessively fixated focus on this entire business. There is a particular colleague who is constantly RT-inf independent sage’s tweets sometimes within seconds of the original tweet before actually reading their links etc. every time she features on my feed she has circulated or liked the most devastating, intense, and worried news and blog stories. She also frequently posts saying how utterly depressed she’s feeling - and there is nothing except covid for the last many months. There are some People who have got attached to lockdowns and feeling very very obsessively attached to this pandemic

There are definitely people who are revelling in all of this misery and almost seem to want there to be more deaths and drama. It’s very disturbing.

A friend is constantly sending me WhatsApp messages with all kinds of doomsday scenarios (I don’t do Social Media so it’s the only way she can reach me). The latest one was about Omnicron potentially killing millions in the U.K. within the next few months. I pointed out that scientists in South Africa have consistently said this variant seems to affect people relatively mildly and she responded that scientists in “an under developed country” cannot be trusted

They are also calling for adequate financial support but none of you seem to have actually read what they said?

@frazzledali

1. Who is going to pay for this adequate financial support? The government has already borrowed a record amount over the last few years. Ultimately we need an economy to fund the NHS.

1. With the best will in the world, you can never replace all income that will be lost.

I wouldn’t comply with it

And what happens at the end of the circuit breaker lockdown when cases are higher than they were at the beginning. Independent sage then call for more lockdown and you end up in lockdown for 6 months and then when it’s released they are still saying it’s too early. I think they have lost all credibility by calling for harsher and harsher lockdowns pretty much constantly since covid appeared with zero attempt at a cost benefit analysis.

Given that the left is supposed to advocate for the poor and disadvantaged I don’t understand why groups like Independent sage put so little focus on the affects of lockdown on these groups.

They can call all they like. Where is this money going to come from?

And I don't think you/they understand people's concerns. It's not simply about business. It's about people's families and the things that make life worth living. I live alone and was more than adequately compensated when I had to shut my business down. It was still hell though, especially the first one when I wasn't supposed to see anyone at all. Anyone at all for weeks FGS.