Anti-Vax - what is the source?

[pennyspenny]

Two of my good friends have become anti- Vax

We don't discuss it (barely seen each other) but they post a lot on social media about pharmaceutical companies being evil etc

They also attend freedom marches together and post photos of them hugging strangers

I also think they're distancing themselves from the rest of the group. Making plans together and declining invitations to meet with feeble excuse. Maybe I'm just paranoid

But I find myself wondering, where are they getting this info from?

We're all 40s with busy jobs and families. Sensible, educated and (relatively) clean living people. What's gotten into them?

Where do these theories start?

For a start, go and read about deaths from diahheral disease in third world/developing countries. Go and check the population of India and learn about poverty and their access to healthcare. Poor infrastructure and access to clean water and sanitation etc. Go and research some health and economic stuff instead of jumping to conclusions without considering the facts and the bigger picture.

And don’t you dare assume and jump to the conclusion that I am racist when you clearly don’t know what YOU are talking about. You need a BG brain chip you do.

I don't care about viruses and economics

Oh ok I see. Go and talk to pigeons, read wiki and watch YouTube then. But stop posting shit on the internet. It’s dangerous 🤦‍♀️

Education actually has very little effect

consumer.healthday.com/b-2-26-education-level-now-prime-driver-of-covid-vaccine-hesitancy-poll-2650795164.html

I’ve read lots of articles that disagree with this. Education levels are meant to be the biggest driver in vaccine uptake.

You think he is revolutionary, I think he is possibly a psychopath.

I didn’t say I thought BG was revolutionary. I said he was a creative revolutionary thinker. As in type of person. Which is why he is rich and we’re not.

I have no particular interest at all in Bill Gates. Tech nerd but revolutionary, creative thinker. That’s all. Oh and rich too. I’m not but I’m not a jealous person either.

I understand if English isn’t your first language, but stop putting words into my mouth and assuming I am racist and love Bill Gates. Please you’re just so incorrect.

Glad you’ve had your vaccine, soon you may get that holiday you want then. Because if you have no interest in viruses or economics. Why did u have it?

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith

I don't care about viruses and economics

Oh ok I see. Go and talk to pigeons, read wiki and watch YouTube then. But stop posting shit on the internet. It’s dangerous 🤦‍♀️

Chopping half a sentence off to try and make a different point says more about you than me. I posted a link above about the Supreme High Court in India suspending the vaccination program Bill Gates set up but you keep wittering on about Morgan Freemen and pigeons.

Your the one that gets your info off Youtube I've never said I do.. I prefer to read articles from traceable people. You find weird stuff on youtube, you should stay off it ...

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith

You think he is revolutionary, I think he is possibly a psychopath.

I didn’t say I thought BG was revolutionary. I said he was a creative revolutionary thinker. As in type of person. Which is why he is rich and we’re not.

I have no particular interest at all in Bill Gates. Tech nerd but revolutionary, creative thinker. That’s all. Oh and rich too. I’m not but I’m not a jealous person either.

I understand if English isn’t your first language, but stop putting words into my mouth and assuming I am racist and love Bill Gates. Please you’re just so incorrect.

Glad you’ve had your vaccine, soon you may get that holiday you want then. Because if you have no interest in viruses or economics. Why did u have it?

ah that has really made me laugh. I must not be English if I give a shit about what Bill gates did in India - Aye go on doll

I think you may have been sniffing glue because you keep saying you didn't say he was revolutionary but then post that you called him revolutionary to prove you didn't say he was was revolutionary. fucking mad hatters tea party!

Your the one that gets your info off Youtube confused I've never said I do.. I prefer to read articles from traceable people. You find weird stuff on youtube, you should stay off it ...

No. You’re the one that takes everything out of context, dismisses science, economics and views that are indifferent to your own. You think EVERYBODY is racist and learns all they know from YouTube. Then that is your problem and lack of understanding then unfortunately. You never answer a direct question with a specific factual answer and your suspicion and paranoia is through the roof.

Glad you’ve had your vaccine, soon you may get that holiday you want then. Because if you have no interest in viruses or economics. Why did u have it?

Eer to protect the people I work around - pregnant women and myself. But lovey that really wasn't the point of the Bill gates conversation. Thats what happens when you jump on a thread and don't read the previous posts - you talk shit

I think you may have been sniffing glue because you keep saying you didn't say he was revolutionary

Nice debating style!

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith

Your the one that gets your info off Youtube confused I've never said I do.. I prefer to read articles from traceable people. You find weird stuff on youtube, you should stay off it ...

No. You’re the one that takes everything out of context, dismisses science, economics and views that are indifferent to your own. You think EVERYBODY is racist and learns all they know from YouTube. Then that is your problem and lack of understanding then unfortunately. You never answer a direct question with a specific factual answer and your suspicion and paranoia is through the roof.

Unhinged.

I posted a extremely factual link from the ECCHR (European Centre for Constitutional Human Rights)

Then you started banging on about Morgan Freeman and pigeons . you seem to be getting really annoyed shouting in capitals. Maybe you need a break and a cup of tea.

Eer to protect the people I work around - pregnant women and myself.

I don’t get you. Very angry person. Why? I know we’re all frustrated, but why do u think BG gave millions of HPV vaccines to young girls in India then. A massive country, with a massive population of poor, young girls where HPV is endemic and killing them? Was it not also to protect them and the people around them? In the same way that the UK give all our 15yr old girls a HPV vaccine. To prevent cancer?

Or not? What’s your actual view then?

I have heard of ECCHR (I work in a related field) they are very credible and do a lot of good work.

As for BG, I think he is a very clever and successful guy but I wish he would stay out of public health matters and let elected officials deal entirely with them. The amount of money he has gives him too much influence in public policy matters (in which he should, in a democracy, have no more say than you or I).

@steakandcheeseplease

Your comment at 12:12 and previous comments are gaslighting techniques. I don’t like that style of communication. Read back to the post by @BertieBotts which I copied and pasted as it was so good. You will find your very own personal profile and style of abusive communication in that exact analysis about conspiracy theorists.

Interesting 🤔

[quote WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith]@steakandcheeseplease

Your comment at 12:12 and previous comments are gaslighting techniques. I don’t like that style of communication. Read back to the post by @BertieBotts which I copied and pasted as it was so good. You will find your very own personal profile and style of abusive communication in that exact analysis about conspiracy theorists.

Interesting 🤔[/quote]
I don't like the style of your communication either. Its aggressive and shouty.

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith

Eer to protect the people I work around - pregnant women and myself.

I don’t get you. Very angry person. Why? I know we’re all frustrated, but why do u think BG gave millions of HPV vaccines to young girls in India then. A massive country, with a massive population of poor, young girls where HPV is endemic and killing them? Was it not also to protect them and the people around them? In the same way that the UK give all our 15yr old girls a HPV vaccine. To prevent cancer?

Or not? What’s your actual view then?

Why don't you bother to read the link I posted from the ECCHR and see what my point of view is.

ECCHR

Yes we are very lucky to live in a democratic society with science, medicine, healthcare, infrastructure, good ethics and proper justice and legal systems. Because their are bad people within our societies and beyond. We are extremely lucky. We know that. The truth always comes out in the end. You must not be Scottish, do u really feel that unprivileged and unsafe to be part of the UK and in Europe?

And I'll add whuhan its was clinical research. Research on thousands of girls who didn't fully understand what the injections were.

Regardless if you think it was worth it, it was a human rights violation. Thats not even getting in to the 47,000 who have since come forward complaining of serious side effects - including being infertile.

Because you’re actually VERY LUCKY. Because it’s brilliant. Stop being so paranoid and calling me names.

But you said you have no interest in viruses or economics?? So why do u feel the need to read transcripts from lawyers in a court case? Do u also not understand how court and legal systems work too?

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith

ECCHR

Yes we are very lucky to live in a democratic society with science, medicine, healthcare, infrastructure, good ethics and proper justice and legal systems. Because their are bad people within our societies and beyond. We are extremely lucky. We know that. The truth always comes out in the end. You must not be Scottish, do u really feel that unprivileged and unsafe to be part of the UK and in Europe?

Im white, blue eyed with blonde hair, have degrees, kids in private school, born in Manchester and live semi rurally. Im sure if you did around in my past posts you will find evidence. I'm probably one of the most privileged set of people there is.

You really are way of the mark because your chomping at the bit for an argument rather than actually listening to what other posters are saying.

@steakandcheeseplease

And I'll add whuhan its was clinical research. Research on thousands of girls who didn't fully understand what the injections were.

Regardless if you think it was worth it, it was a human rights violation. Thats not even getting in to the 47,000 who have since come forward complaining of serious side effects - including being infertile.

where is the reference for the statement 47,000 girls in India came forward with side effects after the HPV jab? Out of how many who were vaccinated?

dig around**

Maybe we could have first put those young girls through 20years education through the British education system instead then? Is that what you’re saying?? Because I really don’t get you 😕

Please thank your lucky stars you don’t live in India, and do us all a favour 😕