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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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usernameishistory · 11/03/2020 10:58

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

  • to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
  • to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure

read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

Flowers thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

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AnneKipanki · 11/03/2020 11:38

I suppose analysing our names is a lovely distraction.

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 11:39

@MangePasTesOnglesVilain Me? Reggie Perrin's boss?

DressingGownofDoom · 11/03/2020 11:39

If we are expecting big numbers and big statements over the next few days I wonder if it's worth getting some groceries in now before it all goes crazy.

ofwarren · 11/03/2020 11:39

Coronavirus could be most contagious before symptoms occur, study suggests t.co/2CtdoNWyjM
Sky news

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 11:40

Ahhh CJ Supercut... (had to google) but now get the connection!

Nope. It's my son's first 3 initials and the firs 3 digits of his DOB.

ofwarren · 11/03/2020 11:40

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that authorities believed 60-70% of the population would eventually get infected by the novel coronavirus. t.co/3nVhKi54RI
CNN

MangePasTesOnglesVilain · 11/03/2020 11:40

cj He was CJ. 'I didn't get where I am today by....'

OneOfTheGrundys · 11/03/2020 11:41

We are in a cancer/stem cell transplant bubble at the moment. Literally not one of the staff at the hospital has mentioned corona. It’s odd because I know things are getting more extreme out there but we’re weirdly separated from it.

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 11:41

@DressingGownofDoom I'm off to get pasta and stiff at dinner. Purely because we need it but also in light of current events. My Mum went to town today (she lives a 5 min walk away) and nowhere had loo roll.

Sunshinesky1981 · 11/03/2020 11:42

This Twitter thing almost feels like a 3 pronged attack. Have a worried feeling that we are going to have a hopeful budget showing where extra help will come from. A high rise in case numbers announced and then be told at 7pm that we have moved into the next phase, feels like the government equivalent of getting your ducks in a row

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 11:42

@MangePasTesOnglesVilain Before my time I think. I certainly dont remember ever watching it

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 11:43

This Twitter thing almost feels like a 3 pronged attack. Have a worried feeling that we are going to have a hopeful budget showing where extra help will come from. A high rise in case numbers announced and then be told at 7pm that we have moved into the next phase, feels like the government equivalent of getting your ducks in a row Good analysis...

magicrainbowbeans · 11/03/2020 11:43

Commons statement tonight hmm. New measures? School closures? Or just stepping up the national hand washing programme..?

MangePasTesOnglesVilain · 11/03/2020 11:44

Do people have thermometers?

I just usually go by feeling foreheads or if I have chills, goosebumps, burning up.

nancypineapple · 11/03/2020 11:45

Having a bit of a shit show here in London-dd aged 8 came home from school monday with severe backache, tummy ache , a fever that jumped from 37.5 up to 40.5° in an hour and saying she "couldn't get enough oxygen" and it was "very sore to breathe" . Phoned drs - no appointments, phoned 111 who called an ambulance...then phoned back to say there was a massive delay and take her up to a&e if possible. A&e packed with over 60 adults and 40 kids waiting,told receptionist her symptoms-he said to wait in kids section. finally seen at 11pm after 6 hour wait-dr questioned travel etc ,we havent been away so corona discounted apparently. Given x-ray -dr decides it's a bad chest infection and given high doses of anti biotic but only enough for 2 days so have to get gp to prescribe the other 3 days. Gp now refusing to see dd this morning as she has symptoms of Corona with temp of 40° and painful breathing. Told to phone 111....this has a waiting time of over 1 hour! Just a shit show all round. Stuck in a rut here as cant get advice-I dont feel she is poorly enough for an ambulance as she has finally eaten a little breakfast.I'm just frustrated at lack of support here and the lack of testing being done.

ofwarren · 11/03/2020 11:46

Coronavirus: Boris Johnson's shock plan to stockpile PARACETAMOL for outbreak exposed t.co/47Bo25V1W7 t.co/ndkmTwBdtt
Daily express

BookMeOnTheSudExpress · 11/03/2020 11:46

We think the dried bats are for Chinese medicine rather than for food.

ofwarren · 11/03/2020 11:46

Parliament 'could sit with skeleton staff and just 100 MPs' to avoid spreading coronavirus t.co/iHV4coAoUU
Daily mail

BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2020 11:48

Mange Ah, that takes me back ...
"CJ. 'I didn't get where I am today by....'"

Leonard Rossiter and poor MIL with the hippo shots

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 11:48

Don't forget BOJO is seeing the queen later too...

Saucery · 11/03/2020 11:48

I was going to ask if there were any at the pharmacy this morning, Mange but I forgot (too busy planning how to get hand sanitizer out of my bag before using the pharmacy pen!).
Not sure how low stocks of those are getting.

DownWhichOfLate · 11/03/2020 11:49

@MangePasTesOnglesVilain - I’ve got an ear in thermometer. But it’s worth checking what your normal temperature is AND it doesn’t work very well if you’ve got waxy ears Envy

RozHuntleysStump · 11/03/2020 11:49

@nancypineapple you shouldn’t have to but if I were you I’d use push doctor or find a private gp.

NerrSnerr · 11/03/2020 11:50

What a stress @nancypineapple. Hope she's feeling better soon.

MangePasTesOnglesVilain · 11/03/2020 11:50

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Sounds a total nightmare. Will GP prescribe and see you both over Skype equivalent? At least that way she can see how she looks/colour/breathing rate and advise. And if in doubt take her back to A and E-they should have systems set up to assess her away from other patients too?