worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

• to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
• to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

@confusedandtired99 I agree to an extent- however, equally, if you are that concerned, I would suggest just keeping your children off and dealing with fines if/when they come. If you ring up and say they have flu-like symptoms then I doubt that the school will be very keen to have them come in at the moment.

Is it possible to access the demographic breakdown of Italy deaths anywhere?

@Horehound don’t you think people should have the choice without deregistering their children?

@Horehound you're correct. If children are deemed to be such a risk that schools are closed I will not be looking after my DGC. My DH is higher risk than I am and I'm not prepared to put him at risk.

The timing has to be right.

@Horehound I agree that schools closing are not the be all and end all- there are other measures to control the spread that should be considered first.

However people are worried and there is no need to be so aggressive and rude.

@SansaSnark I’m sorry if you thought I was being aggressive. I don’t mean to come across that way

There is no way I’d let my parents look after my kids at the current time. Many people would want to protect their parents?!

@Horehound I've asked for mine to be deleted but i can't see the one you said please can you send me the link, Thank you

@confusedandtired99 no, I don't. If you go down that route where do you stop? Everyone has a right to do anything they like? Doesn't work I'm afraid.
Stick to the guidance.

"People on here are absolutely obsessed with fucking schools closing"

Clues in the website name...

@confusedandtired99

I don't think you were being aggressive, sorry if my post came across that way.

It's just, at the end of the day, it is possible to keep your children off school. If you are willing to lie (or have genuine reasons to be extra concerned about your children), I don't think it would be that hard to keep them off until Easter now. You might not even get a fine at this stage anyway- there is some discretion involved.

I agree Sansa

The strategy is let it happen and mop it up after.

It doesn’t need to be all or nothing. They could do a number of things that would help.

They are not doing them.

It’s negligence.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3845520-Worried-about-coronavirus-thread-22?watched=1

Hore, just curious, when the advice comes out about how to minimise risk for the vulnerable and it includes staying home - how does that work when the vulnerable person is a child or has school-age children? Without having a bit of leeway in the attendance rules?

@sansashark

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant that we should expect to see sustained numbers of positive tests in Italy if they are at their peak. People seem concerned that the daily number remain high but that seems consistent with the trajectory they are expecting. Obviously it it awful that there have been so many people pass away there.

@BeyondMymymymyCorona just because the majority of users on here are parents why does that equate to being obsessed with wanting schools to be closed?
Usually they're moaning because kids have too much holiday. Can't bloody win!!

Sent from Milan by an Italian friend, not sure how true it is. Hopefully, not.

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Well both sides are here still - there is a lot of opposition to the idea of schools closing too.

Personally it doesn't bother me either way, when I choose that the risk has passed acceptable (to my own sense of risk) I'll take them out. Don't care what Boris has to say on it :)

@BeyondMymymymyCorona I'm sure when that advice is given they will cover the issue then..

Ohh question on it right now on tv. Ofsted will take a lenient view. Saying the numbers are so low they are giving individual guidance but when the numbers are higher they will issue blanket advice.

Again, Seems sensible to me

Link to the article in local paper about the test that was developed in Derby, the test hasn't undergone any testing to prove its accuracy, it could be this test that failed in USA for all we know

www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/derby-firm-says-developed-new-3897136

@Mordred I hope that’s not real!

Read this man's experience of having a very high temperature for 8 days, a dry cough and can't get a test for coronavirus despite coming back from Thailand.

The 111 call-handlers are already overwhelmed.

twitter.com/michaeltinmouth/status/1237308267552034821

Imagine if you really need help. The NHS is not in a good place to handle this at all. Schools should be shut immediately.

Very worrying and almost like a bad dream

@confusedandtired99

Me too - Italy has more beds per 1000 population than we have :-(