AIBU to be glad Lammy is taking a stance on Gaza?

[Locutus2000]

Whatever you think about Hamas - October 7th was an abomination - but surely it's been enough for some time now?

If recurrent Palestinian leaders had taken the many opportunities to build their own State, in the same way Israel did, instead of focusing on the annihilation of Israel and killing Jews, there would have been no Hamas.

Disgusting victim blaming btw.

I assume you are not aware of the decades of Palestinian terrorism against Israelis that long precedes Oct 7th?

@Martymcfly24 thank you

What absolutely terrifies me now is that the atrocities happening across the region right now are going to mobilise many, many, many more. The future looks bleak

Thanks @BreezyBertha ….call it whatever you like, the Palestinians have been treated appallingly for years. Not just by the Israeli govts, but they have been ignored by the rest of the world

What about the above post do you find funny @SummerIce?

Do share.

And, sorry - if Palestinian leaders had built their own state????

Are you absolutely fucking kidding me???

Have you ever read ANYTHING about the history of the area or are you getting your facts from the back of a cornflake packet????

Your welcome.

And ""we" are still not learning. Because every orphan, every child that grows up with deformities due to malnutrition or without a limb will be angry at the perpetrators.

And the cycle will continue.

Netanyahu contributed to Hamas being in power for years and years, something which is for some reason very seldom mentioned on here.

@BreezyBertha well, the mention of any “high tech” is a good starting point for a giggle - the number of “errors” they’ve made by bombing the shit out of specific targets is terrifying

If they had been allowed to build their own state without their citizens needing one of 100 different permits from Israel just to live or travel or work or build.

Or Israel controlling their business, water, internet, imports, roads etc.

Fanatical? From what I see the marchers are a very diverse group of people, with only one thing in common, and that isn’t being a fanatic.

That’s not true, it’s often mentioned. Along with much criticism of Netanyahu, the intelligence failures that allowed the massacre to happen, the criticism by hostages’ families, corruption charges, and the demonstrations against changes to the judicial system in Israel.

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Many are having their land stolen from them by men armed with guns. This is not a population who are in control of their own lives

And if Israel, backed up by USA (and UK) hadn't constantly vetoed attempts to declare statehood for Palestine.

I'm glad it has been mentioned - I haven't seen it, but good to know people are trying to get that information across.

Maybe they should quit terrorism then? Just a thought.

There’s a reason even other Arab countries won’t have them in their countries.

Errrr, actions have consequences.

The only thing that’s ignored, especially in the current situation, are the barbaric atrocities they carried out on Oct 7th and for decades before (I mean a whole Olympic team executed, plane hijackings, suicide bombings, car rammings, stabbing sprees etc, etc,) and the decades of indoctrination right under the UN’s and all the other NGOs noses, that created and led to that.

It’s very convenient to convince yourself many Palestinians hate Israelis simply because they’re Jewish rather than as a result of decades of losing their homes and facing abuse and control on a daily basis. I guess it makes you feel better than face the reality of how Israel has treated the Palestinians over the years.

55k

55k

Let me repeat. Again.

Fifty five THOUSAND

People. Civilians. 70% women and children

Tell me again, who are the terrorists?

Part of Israel's Genocide/General plan was/is to exterminate the women and young girls in particular as part of their ethnic cleansing plan. If you kill all the women & girls, they cannot reproduce, they just want a deadzone/ground zero with old men, that way they can ethically wipe out a whole race. Why else would you bomb fertility clinics.
If you agree with this, the lobby will label you an "Anti-Semite" it's the only weapon they have left. The world isn't that blind, we have 24hr live footage from Gaza, everybody has documentary evidence of genocide in their pocket. I can't wait till they call Louis Theroux an Anti-Semite after his doc on Settlers in the west bank.

I know, it’s incredible the stories they tell themselves to justify what’s happening.

We know that there have been many lies. Eg that they have to bomb hospitals as Hamas are there. They didn’t even bother lying when they bombed the last one, this week. They were caught out exterminating the ambulance medics. The plan all along, imo, has been to clear Gaza of Palestinians, and chuck them in the sea if necessary.

Please note, people. This is how the ultra right behave.

Yes, obviously more extensively than you and without cherrypicking out stuff that doesn’t fit a narrative.

You mean the Palestinians have always been prevented from having their own State? It was never offered, there were never any refusals? They couldn’t had it in 1948?

Wow, you need to tell all the historians that you know better and they have got it wrong.

Palestinian/Arab leaders never wanted their own State, they wanted all the Jews out of Israel and for no Jewish State to exist.

Yup.

So absolutely no Hamas fighters included in that figure at all then?

Hamas really must be smart to have prevented not one of their fighters being killed against the IDF’s high tech weapons.

Perhaps because they’re putting the women and children in front of them?

You know nothing about me sweetie, sit down

Get off YouTube FFS. I don't know where to start with your nonscence.