Trump announces the US will take over the Gaza strip

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Announcement by Trump.

Take over and 'own it'

New thread since new announcements

It would be a drop in the ocean, but a meaningful one!

Yes what's he really up to

Totally destroying everything the federal government provides.

@GrammarTeacher oh is that all

This talk is so unreasonable, so war mongering.
The nutters have been emboldened by Trump.

@LetThereBeLove they do yes. I'm not sure how possible it is to seize Hamas funds

It would be one way to weaken them and hasn't happened already

I agree it needs to be another set of people, who though?

General question to anyone

The figure usually cited for Hamas's wealth as an organisation is $500 million. This link suggests more & indicates how they avoid sanctions etc. Individual leafers also privately wealthy. All those nations who have facilitated this wealth could also contribute. www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/econographics/global-sanctions-dashboard-how-hamas-raises-uses-and-moves-money/

Good point. Surely the mega millions held could be put to better use. Russian assets were seized so why not hamas or other terrorist assets

This.

They wouldn't like any other country to decide so they need to come up with something that isn't more of the same... hamas

Apparently there are 'people ' no one comes forward with what group or names though.

Absolutely this.

What? You want names? You do know you're on mumsnet not sure how connected people are here.

The suggestion that because the voicesbof moderate Palestinians are not heard they must all be terrorists is a strange conclusion to make. I have no idea how you defeat a terrorist organisation that has forcibly taken away your options for democratic processes. Palestinians are between a rock and hard place. Illegal occupiers and terrorists. Iran may have a hand in Hamas but the last 15 months have demonstrated that they do not control Gaza. It was Israel that were able to effectively cut off and control all access to humanitarian aid. Control who and what goes in and out.

I think the question isn't just about who should and can run Gaza effectively for the good of the people that live there but how can that happen without conflict. What should come first, Hamas defeated or an end to occupation? What is the best route for success? We are currently in stage 1 of a 3 stage ceasefire deal. Final stage looking at reconstruction and rebuilding Gaza. I would hope that those partners involved in the painstaking ceasefire negotiations will continue with talks on how to move forward. Part of that has to focus on the future of Gaza and a timeline to end the current occupation with obvious conditions in place. Otherwise we're just back on the treadmill. The last year or so has proved terrorists can't be defeated by force so realistic alternatives need to be supported and nurtured.

Who would cease their assets?

Other countries, as happened with the UK when Russian oligarchs had their assets seized after Russia marched into Ukraine.

And in answer to your other question Dulra the terrorists have to be defeated before any 'occupation' can end. Hamas occupies Gaza as it allows no opposition to their rule by terror.

So it's their assets in other countries? Definitely something to try but it would be reliant on cooperation from the countries they have assets in.

Oh come on. Dont know how to cease an asset but assets are seized and frozen all the time on criminals and terrorists and sanctions imposed.

I'm pretty shocked that you're unsure about what should come first, defeating terrorists or ending occupation... surely it's very obviously defeating terrorists? And ending occupation ( if that's what it is ) shortly after?

Yes but it's not clear how you defeat the terrorists. An end to occupation needs to be on the table as part of whatever negotiations can happen. You will never fully defeat terrorism just minimise it's support with alternatives

So @Dulra, despite following this closely for a long time you have no idea about any moderate non-terrorist groups or movements in Gaza. Do you not think that's extraordinary? I mean, really incredible?

From a different angle what if the majority of Gazans actually want Hamas to stay in power and want them to continue to fight Israel- what then?

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/1/29/analysis-hamas-has-been-hit-hard-by-israel-but-is-not-out-in-gaza

I know how to cease assets fgs. I was wondering who they were expecting to do it. Why are you always so unpleasant

It is absolutely mind blowing isn't it.

It depends who you ask …
to Israel ending with terrorists will be the priority
to Palestinians ending the occupation and its extremists is the priority.

to me they’re as bad and damaging as each other

I know what should come first but terrorists are often part of negotiations. IRA were very much part of the negotiations in Northern Ireland