Trump announces the US will take over the Gaza strip

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Announcement by Trump.

Take over and 'own it'

New thread since new announcements

Hamas would be defeated if their funding and military support were cut. The ME countries that facilitate them need to decide if they want never ending war with Israel. They need to encourage moderates to take over. We have been assured so many times by anti-Israel posters on here that these moderates exist (go google apparently) but when we try to pin them down apparently its a crazy unreasonable thing to ask.

If there was no terrorists there would be no need for occupation.
If there was no occupation there would be no need for terrorists.

And around we go.

Why also was this just directed at me? When you and another posters asked who they were. It's like your questions are all about confrontation as opposed to discussion. You don't seem interested in what people say just how to discredit them. Very tiring and pointless

The occupation has existed for longer than Hamas and many previous terrorist groups

But not longer than the violence against Israelis since the moment the state was born. Come on.

Maybe because Palestinians felt their land was being occupying and since then this land is becoming smaller and smaller ? And thanks to Trump looks like it’ll become even smaller ?

@Dulra
@SharonEllis

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So @Dulra, despite following this closely for a long time you have no idea about any moderate non-terrorist groups or movements in Gaza. Do you not think that's extraordinary? I mean, really incredible?

It is absolutely mind blowing isn't it."

So on that basis is there a strong possibility that there actually aren't any moderate non terrorist groups or movements in Gaza? And that actually the majority of Gazans want to keep fighting Israel and don't want peace and reconstruction ?

Not at all. Im really really interested in the answer as its crucial, dont you think? But if you dont know very happy to hear from others.

@Dulra

Very tiring and pointless"

But isn't a political alternative to Hamas in Gaza that doesn't want continued conflict with Israel a prerequisite for any long lasting peace deal?

So on that basis is there a strong possibility that there actually aren't any moderate non terrorist groups or movements in Gaza? And that actually the majority of Gazans want to keep fighting Israel and don't want peace and reconstruction ?
How do you come to that conclusion?

Of course where have I suggested otherwise?

It wasn't really a conclusion. It was a question. So come on, give us an alternative answer! Tell us who these moderates are, how they can be supported and encouraged?

It’s but i don’t think suggesting in the middle of a ceasefire to voluntary displace and to start getting ready for it and helping on it is going to help.

I think Israel as well as Gaza need new politicians that are more moderate rather than the existing extremists.

Fine. There are moderate groups in Gaza but I find it impossible to know how effective they can be to overthrow terrorists without external support. There is no one but Hamas and IDF in Gaza atm as far as I can tell. Would be delighted to be corrected on that and to know there are external agencies supporting the moderates

But if you dont know very happy to hear from others.
Your response to my attempt suggests otherwise

Forget Trump. What about the alternative to Trump's plan. A peaceful, moderate Palestinian plan to rebuild gaza and ensure security.

I believe the initial comment was from @Scirocco who hasn’t been back at the thread. I’d suggest for their reply before trying to assume that most gazans support Hamas and there is no alternative

How am I going to forget about trump when I’ve posted a link today about the Israeli minister asking idf to get ready for this voluntary displacement ? There won’t be a Palestine with this plan so it doesn’t matter who these people are as the new Gaza won’t be for Palestinians.

I think you need to look into how much land was originally offered to Palestinian Arabs and the reasons why they didn't accept this and instead chose war to get rid of Palestinian Jews completely.

Of course they will need external support. Im confused though. First you said there are moderate groups, then you said there is only Hamas. Hmmm.

“Trump will restore peace. The Palestinians can leave and settle in Arab countries and the Gaza Strip can be restored to its former glory.

Exciting times lay ahead with the huge investment potential in real estate development.“

Is this a serious comment? Because Trump can't be trusted with his words. Peace isn't what he wants. It's land he wants and he has made that clear. Why should the Palestinians go elsewhere to live? He says he truly believes that they want to return to Palestine because they have no other alternatives. Wrong. They want to return because it's their land, their homeland. No one else's. It doesn't belong to the US. Nor does it belong to anyone else.

I said there is only Hamas and IDF/ currently controlling things in Gaza. I am not aware of any other agency in Gaza atm in a position to support the moderates. Are you? How do you overthrow terrorists without the means to do it? After stage 3 of the ceasefire negotiations when they move on to rebuilding Gaza Hamas will still be there. They need to find a way to engineer them out through negotiations and disarmament and propping up an alternative.

Been at work, just off to collect DC now.

In brief:

I'd favour a move away from the Hamas-Fatah binary, although the PA will likely be keen to retain power and influence. An interim approach could draw from: former political opponents of Abbas who have been sidelined and in some cases exiled (metaphorically and literally); the smaller political parties which have marginalised by the PA and Hamas as well as by external powers (some would need to be un-banned); political prisoners who have renounced or are willing to renounce violence (some names on the release lists could be options here - remember, we're not looking for ideal, we're looking for better than Hamas and Fatah); local community leaders and people who have stepped up to help people in need, eg through helping with aid distribution; the diaspora, which includes highly educated and skilled individuals who care deeply about Palestine and Palestinians.

Thank you. Completely agree that 'ideal' is unrealistic. Its good to know that there are people outside Hamas and Fatah. If you have links to reliable things to read that would be great. It does seem remarkable that there is so little to find discussing this from a Palestinian perspective.

Thanks.

local community leaders and people who have stepped up to help people in need, eg through helping with aid distribution; the ,
Yes these people are at the grassroots and need to be empowered and supported to develop a political alternative to terrorism. Unfortunately many of these people have lost their lives in the current conflict. There are many displaced Gazans in Egypt who are organising themselves into grassroot movements to coordinate humanitarian aid and respond to the needs within their community which again needs to be supported to increase their capacity.

The diaspora which includes highly educated and skilled individuals who care deeply about Palestine and Palestinians.
Yes their voices need to get more airtime.