Trump announces the US will take over the Gaza strip

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Announcement by Trump.

Take over and 'own it'

New thread since new announcements

I see there are protests in Gaza over Trump's plan. Baby steps.

@Scirocco it says the protest was organised by Democratic Reform Movement - a dissident group from Fatah led by former Fatah leader Mohamed Dahlan.
Do you know anything about this movement? I know it has been queried before whether he could take over from Hamas to lead in Gaza.

https://www.euronews.com/2025/02/06/palestinians-on-trumps-gaza-plan-well-reconstruct-gaza-with-our-own-will

Several months ago I looked at what I think was a 1946 UNO map dividing land between Arabs and Jews. (They were all Palestinians then - Arabs and Jews, because they were all in what was called Palestine then.) It was the proposed '2 state system' on the map of that time.

This comment is not one iota of help now but it would have been interesting if the Jews and the Arabs - those are the words on the map - had had a chance to see if they could get along with those particular land divisions.

And any thoughts on Zakaria Zubeidi? He seems to have a lot of popular support both in the West Bank and Gaza, and has supposedly turned his back on violence in favour of politics? It's difficult to get reasonably unbiased information.

The Arab community didn't agree with the proposed partition approved by the UN in 1947 and five Arab armies began the war by invading the fledgling Jewish state on 14 May 1948.

Earlier in the thread another poster said there were several alterations to Hamas? Who are they then? Which groups are the more moderate alternatives?

I asked and didn't see the thread had moved on, my apologies a name has emerged. Is zakaria still incarcerated by the PLO?

Anyone who thinks that the Palestinians would be allowed to return after leaving is deluded.
as for being settled in 'nice houses' somewhere 'lovely', just ask the native Americans, the Australian aborigines, etc.etc. etc.
I have no optimism that it will ever be solved, it will just fester and escalate until there is some mighty conflagration that destroys the whole area ☹️

Zakaria Zubeidi? He's just been released.

Democrats and sane people have no ability to intervene.

The Republican party is now basically just Trumpers and people who are afraid of Trump.

A number of the currently marginalised political parties, such as some of the non-Fatah members of the PLO. Groups such as Democratic Reform Movement have a degree of grassroots support (Mohammed Dahlan would be a name to look up that's been linked with them). People like Zakaria Zubeidi and Khalida Jarrar have popularity and more recent reputations of being relatively moderate. People consistently bring up the Barghouti family, too. None perfect, all with plenty to criticise, but importantly, none of them are currently Hamas or PIJ. The preferred option at this stage is, in my opinion, any people who meet the criteria of Not Hamas and Willing to Commit to Non-Violent Processes. I'll accept a lot I don't like in people if they can offer that. I can be pickier further down the line.

What on earth have native americans got to do with it? Ridiculous.

This is not actually true. In fact its nonsense. You shouldnt take what Trump says at face value. There have been republicans who have criticised the gaza 'plan' as have the democrats. There are all sorts of mechanisms in the US system to resist. Judges are already resisting some of Trumps plans and other court challenges are being prepared. There is some very scary stuff happening but its very weird how people who supposrdly hate trump seem to be so willing to capitulate & let him dominate the narrative.

Thanks

Thanks. If would great to see some moderate voices gain support.

Some of the Barghoutis have been involved in violence haven't they? Like with any peace process there needs to be a process for renouncing violence and moving on as you suggest. And in fact those that have been inolved in violence in the past may be best placed to bring their own side with them.

Yes, multiple violent offences in their history.

That’s very interesting @Scirocco

I watched the press briefing and it’s so clear that is was missing from this is any voice for the Palestinians. They are like pawns now in this sick game.

'What on earth have native americans got to do with it? Ridiculous.'

it's an example of what happens when indigenous people are driven off their lands and 'resettled'.

Its a ludicrous ahistorical analogy and contributes nothing to a discussion about how to move forward.

Outrageous. He is basically wanting to expel Palestinians from their land and build a holiday resort on the land littered with thousands of dead bodies of citizens of Gaza? Disgusting- and listening to fundamentalist Christians and Zionists quoting the Old Testament to justify seizing the land is sickening.

There are already pics in twitter from a trump hotel Gaza by the beachfront. And it’s not for those that criticise it but those that are in favour of this

Bbc

Trump is set to sign an executive order sanctioning the International Criminal Court (ICC) later today for targeting the US and allies, such as Israel, the BBC understands.
The order will see both financial and visa related sanctions applied to individuals assisting the ICC with its investigations into US citizens or allies, as well as their families.
The move comes in response to the ICC's decision to issue arrest warrants against both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and other Israeli and Hamas officials last year.
Senate Democrats last week blocked a bill which sought to sanction the ICC, with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer calling the bill "poorly drafted" and "deeply problematic".

• Neither the US nor Israel are members of the ICC.

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it’s not the first time he does it. Previous time was over Afghanistan for usas involvement. Is he now a member of the Israeli government ?

Depressing Poll - most Israelis support Trumps plan.

m.jpost.com/international/article-840500

Trump has one mode of action - thug like threaten, financially penalise and thug like threaten some more. He is utterly devoid of compassion, measured thinking and reflection. His knowledge of history is clearly non existent. He is a trigger happy imbecile.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/most-israeli-jews-support-trumps-gaza-relocation-proposal-poll

although more details shows a slightly less depressing few.