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headstone · 21/11/2024 15:59

Israel are also known to kill family members too, who knows what physical or psychological torture is committed when a brutal occupier is looking for spies among its detainees.

quantumbutterfly · 21/11/2024 16:03

headstone · 21/11/2024 15:59

Israel are also known to kill family members too, who knows what physical or psychological torture is committed when a brutal occupier is looking for spies among its detainees.

presumably an ex-hamas member who spent time in Israeli prison

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/11/2024 16:51

Dulra · 21/11/2024 14:17

I checked back they don't

OP said:

"One issue is that for some Muslims loyalty to a pan global religious following is greater than loyalty to the state..." Are you aware, , that accusing a minority group of having more loyalty to an overarching organisation or another country is actually a form of hate crime in itself? Would you say this about any other minority group?

Just in case you missed the post.

Dulra · 21/11/2024 17:16

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/11/2024 16:51

OP said:

"One issue is that for some Muslims loyalty to a pan global religious following is greater than loyalty to the state..." Are you aware, , that accusing a minority group of having more loyalty to an overarching organisation or another country is actually a form of hate crime in itself? Would you say this about any other minority group?

Just in case you missed the post.

That is not the same as what you said below, where does anyone mention Muslim extremists?

They are Muslim extremists though. But according to OP it's a hate crime to say so which rather trivialises the purported rise in islamaphobic hate crimes.

username358 · 21/11/2024 17:18

quantumbutterfly · 21/11/2024 16:03

presumably an ex-hamas member who spent time in Israeli prison

Everyone is Hamas aren't they? Babies in incubators, children at school, people in refugee camps, people coming for humanitarian aid, patients in hospital, thousands of women and children, the UN - all Hamas.

Usernamesareboring1 · 21/11/2024 17:20

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/11/2024 16:51

OP said:

"One issue is that for some Muslims loyalty to a pan global religious following is greater than loyalty to the state..." Are you aware, , that accusing a minority group of having more loyalty to an overarching organisation or another country is actually a form of hate crime in itself? Would you say this about any other minority group?

Just in case you missed the post.

I don't see where OP is wrong there, do you agree with this being antisemitic?
-Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
Why then would accusing Muslims of being less loyal to the state not be Islamophobic?

SallyWD · 21/11/2024 17:33

Dulra · 21/11/2024 17:16

That is not the same as what you said below, where does anyone mention Muslim extremists?

They are Muslim extremists though. But according to OP it's a hate crime to say so which rather trivialises the purported rise in islamaphobic hate crimes.

Exactly, this has a completely different meaning.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/11/2024 18:09

Usernamesareboring1 · 21/11/2024 17:20

I don't see where OP is wrong there, do you agree with this being antisemitic?
-Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
Why then would accusing Muslims of being less loyal to the state not be Islamophobic?

Edited

Unfortunately the thread has started turning into Swiss cheese so some relevant posts have gone. I mentioned MPs who stood on a platform focusing on Gaza at one point in the thread if the post is still there - some unsuccessful candidates did as well iirc. Not all were Muslim of course. That's what my post was relating to, following on from other posters earlier in the thread.

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