The future for Muslims in the UK is "bleak and dystopian"

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https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/nov/17/muslims-face-bleak-and-dystopian-climate-in-uk-says-head-of-thinktank

According to a report by the Runnymede Trust. The crisis in Palestine and Lebanon is considered to be a major contributing factor.

They are housed everywhere and anywhere. Possibly social housing properties but more likely emergency accommodation hostels and hotels. My point is they are not on a councils housing list so they can't jump to the top of it. The most likely option for the government is contracting private providers to provide accommodation.

so there are tensions that have nothing at all to do with racism and everything to do with limited resources as the pp originally said.
Yes similar here, massive tensions but as someone who works with asylum seekers and sees the accommodation they are housed in and what has been repurposed to house them which can be awful, sometimes people assume they are getting a better deal then the reality.

There is a huge accommodation crisis but it is far more complicated than just the asylum process

It do think some of your posts are disingenuous.

You told a pp “You do know that illegal immigrants don't get any state support obviously. Asylum seekers do while they are waiting for their application to be processed. I think this kind of misinformation doesn't help things and again is about incitement to hate. Well done”

The vast majority of illegal migrants claim asylum status and receive support while they are waiting for their claims to process. The terms”illegal migrant” and “asylum seeker” are not mutually exclusive.
You also said asylum seekers were not housed in social housing and now you’ve changed it to some of the housing “ can be awful”.
It’s not acceptable to accuse other posters of misinformation and spreading hate when actually some of your information was misleading .

It’s not acceptable to accuse other posters of misinformation and spreading hate when actually some of your information was misleading .

I agree. Asylum seekers aren't illegal immigrants. It's not illegal to seek asylum no matter how you get into the country.

The reason it costs so much to house them is because it takes years to process their claims as the last government didn't invest in department.

Asylum seekers aren't entitled to the same rights as refugees and can't work. They're housed in hostels and hotels and have about £50 a week to live on.

Illegal immigrants have usually overstayed their visa.

I'm not being disingenuous at all. I am pointing out misinformation.

The vast majority of illegal migrants claim asylum status and receive support while they are waiting for their claims to process. The terms”illegal migrant” and “asylum seeker” are not mutually exclusive.
An illegal migrant is not an asylum seeker. If someone claims asylum and their application is rejected and they remain in UK then they are an illegal immigrant and not entitled to any state support.

You also said asylum seekers were not housed in social housing and now you’ve changed it to some of the housing “ can be awful”.
I said asylum seekers are not part of the social housing waiting list which they're not. I said they were housed by the State or in housing paid for by the State but that is not part of the social housing waiting list.

It’s not acceptable to accuse other posters of misinformation and spreading hate when actually some of your information was misleading .
I have not accused anyone of spreading hate. Show me where I have. I have pointed out misinformation.

It is not acceptable to accuse posters of things they haven't done, when really it is you that doesn't understand the asylum process

Some asylum seekers do not get granted asylum and then their status changes and they are illegal immigrants . Apologies if I didn’t explain that clearly.
I have provided a link which demonstrates that asylum seekers are sometimes housed in social housing which can raise tensions as this in short supply.
I don’t have anything against asylum seekers ( or economic migrants) . I just don’t think there is anything to be gained from pretending there are not justifiable tensions around this issue and calling people “hate filled “ is counterproductive

Look - you don’t live in England and you told someone who works with asylum seekers in England that their experience was incorrect . You seem to think you’re an expert on the situation in the UK as well as the situation in your country .

BTW you definitely did imply a pp was inciting hate “…. this kind of misinformation doesn't help things and again is about incitement to hate. Well done”
What does the “well done” mean if it’s not a sarcastic reference to the “incitement to hate”

An apology would be nice …. But I’m not holding my breath.

Refugees granted leave to remain can apply for social housing but they are judged on the same criteria as British citizens.

Asylum seekers don't have the same rights as refugees and have to stay in government provided accommodation. They are dispersed around the UK usually to cheap areas.

Once they have refugee status, they can live where they want and apply for benefits or social housing. If failed asylum seekers refuse to leave then they're illegal immigrants.

We invite hundreds of thousands of immigrants into the UK every year, despite government promises to lower numbers. Asylum seekers represent around 3% of yearly immigration. The other 97% are given working or study visas by the government.

I don't live in England but when I did I worked for a social housing consultancy I am very familiar with the process.

You seem to think you’re an expert on the situation in the UK as well as the situation in your country .
Never claimed I was an expert but I understand the process.

I claimed misinformation incites hate I didn't accuse them of spreading hate and spreading misinformation does incite hate whether it's intentional or not. I pointed out that it doesn't help things which it doesn't

What does the “well done” mean
I guess it meant well done for repeating misinformation that has the potential to incite hate.

An apology would be nice …. But I’m not holding my breath.
An apology for?

Thank you . That’s helpful.

The future of Muslims in this country is dystopian?

Because the future of Muslims women is positively utopian?

Because the future of Muslims in the Darfur civil war is great?

Because the future of Musim women in Iran is great if you wish not to be covered in public?

Because the future of Muslims gay men in the gulf states is one of hope?

Is there a trend here? Can people not see how tolerant and liberal a country the UK is? Can people not see that religion can still lead to the imposition of authoritarian rule and there is a caution about he is in western liberal society after a history of centuries of devious persecution?

I agree with previous posters that people should really look at experience in the UK in the round and start celebrating the positives and not the negatives. I also think Jews in 1930s Germany had a rather greater claim to a future dystopia than a Muslim in 2024 Britain so the language can be modsrated.

Abuse and hate crime are awful but on a global scale the problems for Muslims may be not such that allows the use of such emotive language.

Muslim women in Afganistan

I'm sure this will all be of great comfort to British Muslims when they are being attacked in the street. Can you not see how ridiculous it is to tell British people to stop complaining about hate crimes and violence because it could be worse you could be living in random other country or 1930s Germany?

Is this a race to the bottom?? Because Muslims would be treated bad in other countries fhey should put up with the hate attacks in this country that is tolerant and liberal? The same country where not long time ago people were being set fire in their houses, the same one where my British work colleague had to be given a lift home because her skin colour isn’t white and there were anti immigrant protests accross the country. . are we talking about the same tolerant and liberal country ?

As I said hate crimes and assault are applying and rightly punishable. Though there is the presence of hate crime amongst all in society using hyperbolic language like dystopian future only serves to frustrate people who would argue in the whole life in the UK is not bad.

if you use dystopian for life in the UK where does your vocabulary stretch to for the experience of Muslim women in Iran and Afghnistan? What words are their for the future of gay men in Iraq?

there will always be idiots that indulge hate but we need perspective and I do think there is an implicit message that as the UK we are not tolerant which is simply not the case given he high number of Muslims that do enjoy living in this country and view it postively.

there will always be idiots that indulge hate but we need perspective and I do think there is an implicit message that as the UK we are not toleran

see that’s my worry. That there are more and more idiots in this country (and other ones across Europe) and the rise of the far right and the use they do of fake news many times in order to attack others is making this country, as well as many others , not a tolerant and liberal anymore. We shouldn’t minimise and deny the rise of attacks on Muslims and Jewish communities just because they’re done by a minority of idiots. We should be worried that the numbers are increasing because one day we might not have that tolerant and liberal country anymore. Never in my life did I think that people would set fire to hotels with people inside in the UK because they didn’t agree with their race or how they reached this country, yet in 2024 this has happened.

I just don't understand why you aren't comparing British Muslims experience to that of British Christians rather than to the experience of people in random other countries or the experience of people nearly a century ago? Surely that is the standard a 'tolerant' country should be aiming for, one where everyone is treated the same no matter their religion or skin colour, not well we are better than Afghanistan? Do you do the same to people who can't afford to heat their homes or feed their children, well it could be worse you could live in slums in India, you should celebrate the fact you are poor but get to live in a wealthy country.

Dystopian does fit the countries listed below I agree with that

If people are wondering why what is happening now and not just here look to politicians who cannot address rising issues which will bring tensions

Include many EU countries in this

Turkey are now talking about being unhappy to hold the millions of refugees due to payment from the EU. This will cause more pressures and reaction. The system won't work as it is, or it will rather only too well as people profit but there will be risk for those people and push back from others

Never thought I'd see a lot of the things I've seen in the last 20 years. Teachers losing their jobs & taking their families into hiding for teaching the national curriculum, cartoonists & their colleagues shot at work, kids in danger for dropping a book, teenagers running away to join madmen fighting and posting pictures on the internet of them beheading people, heartless people ripping down posters of kidnapped babies, open antisemitism unabashedly filmed with little repercussion, and I hoped terrorist bombs were a thing of the past too....those bloody right wing thugs get everywhere.

There's a saying that all it takes for evil to flourish is for good people to do nothing...what should good people be doing to stop these things happening?

British Christians are probably used to being teased as god squad & bible bashers etc there was some pretty bloody history associated with whether the pope or the monarch was your religious figurehead. I had hoped that was in the past.
I treat faith as a personal thing between me & my god....as Dave Allen used to say, 'may your God go with you.'
You want to wear an outward expression of your faith then crack on but leave me be.

The article linked to mentions a rise in violent attacks is that being 'teased' in your eyes? If not then I don't see how your post is relevant.

The article mentions hate crimes and riots. Was the Batley teacher the subject of a hate crime?
Perhaps I should ask some of my Christian friends if they've been abused for their faith, actually I know the answer is yes but Christianity teaches to turn the other cheek, it has made them easy targets for idiots in the past.

Relate with what it’s been discussed at the moment, I wanted to check the hate crime other religions face in this country.

The report also collects data on other religious groups that were targeted and shows the difference to the previous year ending in 2023: 702 hate crimes against Christians (up from 609 the previous year), 216 against Sikhs (down from 302), and 193 against Hindus (down from 286). This made a rise of 7 per cent, 2 per cent, and 2 per cent respectively.

https://religionmediacentre.org.uk/news/religious-hate-crime-in-england-and-wales-rises-by-25-per-cent-in-a-year/#:~:text=The%20report%20also%20collects%20data,Hindus%20(down%20from%20286).

What do you mean here? What has 'turning the other cheek' got to do with British Muslims(or anyone) experiencing a rise in hate crimes and riots? What has the Batley teacher got to do with anything, that didn't happen in that last year where the stats in the article about a rise in hate crimes come from?

You need to be clearer about what point you are trying to make.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/batley-grammar-school-teacher-totally-28877490

It's dystopian for many people. The op article talked about hate crime stats., they're a snapshot of a problem which is not just about the well-being of one part of UK society. In the UK our blasphemy laws, if still on the books, are not enforced for a reason, this teacher was using material from the national curriculum. Do you agree with the actions of the mob that hounded him? Can you see how their actions appear as terrifying to some people as those of the rioters after the Southport murders?
There were other riots a few weeks beforehand for different reasons.
www.itv.com/news/calendar/2024-08-19/arsonist-admits-setting-fire-to-double-decker-bus-during-riot
This is dystopia for everyone, we need to stand together against it all.
Ahead of her review which is to be published on Monday, Dame Sara Khan has revealed that polling for her report found more than 75% of the public feel they have to refrain from speaking their mind. Some 27% have changed their way of life from employing security to moving jobs or house.

Still don't get your point. I can't imagine any of us agree with what happened to the teacher in Batley. Issues like this most definitely need to be addressed. It's not a frequent occurrence though and it in no way justifies the targeting of Muslims.
OP created this thread to discuss the alarming rise in assaults on British Muslims. Constantly pointing out the bad actions of a small minority of Muslims just sounds like you're trying to justify the assaults. A bad act is a bad act, you can't excuse it. You could argue why Islamic extremists feel the way they do against the west but that doesn't excuse their terrorist acts. Two wrongs don't make a right.