The future for Muslims in the UK is "bleak and dystopian"

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https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/nov/17/muslims-face-bleak-and-dystopian-climate-in-uk-says-head-of-thinktank

According to a report by the Runnymede Trust. The crisis in Palestine and Lebanon is considered to be a major contributing factor.

This has been highlighted quite a few times already on this thread not sure why you felt the need to do it again. Most of us can read and understand percentages. This particular article has been shared by a muslim poster and is focusing on muslim hate and assaults'. I am always bemused why so many posters need to constantly mention on this thread that antisemitism is worse, both are wrong, both cause fear and terror and both need addressing.

How is your knowledge of wars in the region so limited

When you are writing that the UK and US were invited into the countries they invaded 😂
So Russia, UK, US and other non Muslim countries get involved in these conflicts for their own reasons and yet the only issue is Muslim countries that have a religious affiliation in the same exact conflict? So what actually makes the religion motivation any more of an issue than what's driving the Christian countries to take part in these exact same conflicts? You think if there was no divisions within Islam that US and UK wouldn't be bombing around the globe still and the world would be at peace? You sound very naive.

Do you think we are going to solve hate crimes with spreading hate? You have posted some pretty offensive things about Muslims here

Yes, you're right. I guess I meant that it's not a religious conflict in terms of theology or ideology. I know the extreme right-wing settlers are religiously driven in many ways; but, mainstream Israeli society seems pretty secular. I think religion is used as an excuse. Obviously Palestinians of all faiths and none have been living under occupation and want to be free of Zionist control.
I definitely see Zionism as a political movement rather than a religious one.
But, you are of course right that western governments appear to be less troubled by the genocide of brown people. Horrific 😔

If the 1948 war was successful the land grab would have been from the surrounding Arab states. There was some evidence there was a fear that Jewish refugees from Europe would dilute middle eastern culture. Arab allies of Britain convinced the Brits to turn boats away...and send the Jewish refugees back to the third Reich. Though Israel is a tiny fraction of the sum of Arab states and is itself a melting pot of traditions predominantly middle eastern.

Mosab Hassan Yousef claims that it was the intafadas that started the cycle of violence and oppression.

Discussing facts is not spreading hate.

This is one of those posts with big sweeping statements about Muslims, with no evidence to back them up and will ultimately stir up more hatred towards Muslims.
I'd like to see your evidence that it's mostly Muslims attacking Jews. Sadly, Jewish people have always been a target of non-jewish people of all religions and races.
I'm not saying there are no issues with "hate preachers" at mosques. I'm aware of this. However, the majority of mosques are not like this. I'm.not a Muslim but visit our local mosque and am friends with our Imam. He preaches messages of love and peace. During the riots he urged for calm, peace, understanding and forgiveness. I've never heard him utter a single word of hate. He is always attending multifaith meetings and events with Christian, Jewish, Sikh leaders. He places a lot of importance of working together with other faiths and members of the community. He is always opening up the mosque and inviting people in. From my experience of the other mosques I've visited, their message is the same.
We all know mysogyny exists, in Islam, in all faiths, basically wherever men exist. However, from the many Muslim families I know I see no mysogyny.
I'm just adding balance to your post. Whilst you don't say the majority of Muslims are like this, you still portray the purely negative rhetoric about Muslims that is so dominant at the moment.
I'm not trying to shut down discussion either. I'm adding to the discussion.

Are they facts? Or are they negative generalistaions about people of Muslim faith? Be specific who you are talking about don't make accusations against 6% of the UK population

If memory serves, many threads on this board do ebb & flow that way, regardless of title.
As @EllaDisenchanted has said ( I think) the Jewish mumsnetter and Muslim mumsnetter boards often make the same arguments but from opposite perceptions. You have the same concerns and fears.

It has been pointed out...and studiously ignored or rebuffed.

The worst bit about these types of posts is that whoever wrote them are totally oblivious of the hate they are spreading, whilst denouncing said hatred.
It is scary.

Why is discussing a major problem with extremism 'hate'? Silly accusations won't shut down the conversation.

I think if it was a dispute fundamentally about land it would have been resolved many many years ago. It's a proxy religious war, the centre of which is Iran who wishes Shia Muslims (a minority in the middle east) to dominate the middle east over the Sunni majority and for Israel to be destroyed. This is the basis of the aims of their regime and the revolution. Hence their funding of proxies such as Hamas and Hezbollah and hence why Sunni majority countries aren't stepping in to give assistance to the Palestinians and why they are supporting Israel in destroying Iran's proxies. The war won't end even if any land changes hands. It will only end when there is regime change in Iran. Sadly.

They mentioned Muslims not extremists

But I've seen another study (Yougov, I believe) that shows that Muslims face more hate and suspicion than any other group in the UK, apart from Romany gypsies. Islamaphobia is a very real and serious threat facing Muslims, just as antisemitism is a very real and serious threat facing Jews. It's not a competition.

It hasn't been ignored or rebuffed it has been pointed out that it is serving to ignore and rebuff anti Muslim hate, the topic of the thread. Both are wrong but many who have highlighted antisemitism on this thread have ignored, rebuffed and added to the anti Muslim hate.

They are Muslim extremists though. But according to OP it's a hate crime to say so which rather trivialises the purported rise in islamaphobic hate crimes.

Really? Where did the OP say that?

Islamophobia implies fear, irrational fear. You may as well say far-rightophobia. It is not irrational to fear aggressive troublemakers from whichever part of UK society they originate, it's how you deal with it that matters.
You say extremists are a small part of the Islamic community, my perception is that far right extremists are a minority, but it doesn't take many extremists from any side to cause a shitload of trouble and they all need to be accountable under the law, without fear or favour.
If you're not listened to, if you're called a racist and a bigot for expressing that fear, it doesn't make it go away but it does become an exploitable weakness for people who can turn it to hate.

This is the internet, faceless mumsnetters can lose their temper with impunity as long as the mods are happy. Irl we do our best to live together well.

@quantumbutterfly is it the same dude who said this that you are referring to? To make a point.

"Yousef has compared Islam to Nazism, and said he has "zero respect for anyone who identifies as Muslim"."

Islamophobia is the widely used 'official' term for anti-Muslim hate. At this point in its use in discussions, people have surely heard this definition of terminology enough to comprehend that it does not refer to a phobia but to hatred and prejudice.

I couldn't tell you, I have not heard him say that.

I have heard him claim to be the son of hamas founder, ex-hamas, ex-hamas treasurer, ex-israeli prisoner, current critic of islamic jihad. To claim his experience of being born and growing up amongst his people and the perspective it gave him. He's a very intense speaker.

Was he lying?

Lying about what?

About his experience and connections of course.