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How have we come to a state where the police confront someone for being overtly Jewish?

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mids2019 · 20/04/2024 18:39

Just how?

I think at best this inept policing at worst vile anti semitism.

I suppose it is now in the open that central London has become effectively a no go area for Jews given the potential for abuse from hate marchers.

Can't we just stop these marches so Jews can go about their business?

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noblegiraffe · 25/04/2024 23:54

The only thing he achieved was embarrassing himself, because there's footage dispelling what he claims.

There's also footage of him being called scum and Nazi by the protestors, and someone threatening to follow him, which doesn't paint them in a good light, does it?

namechangedforconfusion · 25/04/2024 23:59

noblegiraffe · 25/04/2024 23:52

If this happened anywhere else on the planet, can you imagine how hard people would fight back.

When does that run out, because the Jews might also say they have a claim to that land?

But regardless, lines have been drawn on maps and people displaced all over the world (lots by us). It seems like you want a country erased on that basis. Where else do you want countries erased? Pakistan? That was created with mass displacement and death at around the same time.

How do you decide which countries have a right to exist?

As long as they aren't acknowledged. As long as they aren't seen as equal to.
As long as they're deprived of their rights.

Exactly. The Jews lived there with the Palestinian's in peace. I feel like you missed this post. And everything was fine. Jewish and Palestinian Muslims and Christian's have lived there in harmony before. I believe they can again. Just not with a zionist government.

namechangedforconfusion · 26/04/2024 00:00

noblegiraffe · 25/04/2024 23:54

The only thing he achieved was embarrassing himself, because there's footage dispelling what he claims.

There's also footage of him being called scum and Nazi by the protestors, and someone threatening to follow him, which doesn't paint them in a good light, does it?

Really ? where?

carerlookingtochangejob · 26/04/2024 00:08

noblegiraffe · 25/04/2024 23:54

The only thing he achieved was embarrassing himself, because there's footage dispelling what he claims.

There's also footage of him being called scum and Nazi by the protestors, and someone threatening to follow him, which doesn't paint them in a good light, does it?

Can you provide a link to this footage please @noblegiraffe
The only footage I can find is of GF trying to antagonise both the protestors and the police. He tried unsuccessfully fortunately to twist the narrative yet again to make himself the victim. He is well known for this.

veilstone · 26/04/2024 00:09

namechangedforconfusion · 25/04/2024 23:52

@veilstone here you go

That doesn't really answer my question. I asked what you think should happen to Israel and it's people, since that doesn't include peace.

noblegiraffe · 26/04/2024 00:11

namechangedforconfusion · 25/04/2024 23:59

As long as they aren't acknowledged. As long as they aren't seen as equal to.
As long as they're deprived of their rights.

Exactly. The Jews lived there with the Palestinian's in peace. I feel like you missed this post. And everything was fine. Jewish and Palestinian Muslims and Christian's have lived there in harmony before. I believe they can again. Just not with a zionist government.

I'm not quite sure that's the entire history of that region, tbf.

Are you agitating for all countries to be erased where certain people are seen as unequal? It might see quite a few countries wiped off the map?

namechangedforconfusion · 26/04/2024 00:16

Where was the threat to follow him?
Choppy footage doesn't make for reliable evidence. And I'll never believe anything that comes out of that Twitter account. They've been posting constant nonsense ever since the protests began. They're hardly impartial.

Gideon Falter was in 1 'scene.'

namechangedforconfusion · 26/04/2024 00:19

noblegiraffe · 26/04/2024 00:11

I'm not quite sure that's the entire history of that region, tbf.

Are you agitating for all countries to be erased where certain people are seen as unequal? It might see quite a few countries wiped off the map?

Where have you gotten that I want ANY country 'wiped?' or 'erased?'

You keep repeating this and I've never mentioned it. It's rather odd.

What would you like to happen? Because I can venture a guess.

namechangedforconfusion · 26/04/2024 00:20

veilstone · 26/04/2024 00:09

That doesn't really answer my question. I asked what you think should happen to Israel and it's people, since that doesn't include peace.

What would you like?

noblegiraffe · 26/04/2024 00:21

namechangedforconfusion · 26/04/2024 00:16

Where was the threat to follow him?
Choppy footage doesn't make for reliable evidence. And I'll never believe anything that comes out of that Twitter account. They've been posting constant nonsense ever since the protests began. They're hardly impartial.

Gideon Falter was in 1 'scene.'

There is longer footage of the man who says he is 'watching his movements', but I'm not sure I can be bothered to look it up when you're clearly just going to dismiss it anyway.

You can see from the police, area and people that it was around where Gideon Falter was. No comment on the delightful woman at the end denying that Hamas raped anyone either. Presumably because it was videoed by the 'wrong' twitter account.

veilstone · 26/04/2024 00:21

namechangedforconfusion · 26/04/2024 00:20

What would you like?

I would like for you to explain what you think should happen to Israel and it's people. I suspect that's not going to happen though.

namechangedforconfusion · 26/04/2024 00:22

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noblegiraffe · 26/04/2024 00:23

namechangedforconfusion · 26/04/2024 00:19

Where have you gotten that I want ANY country 'wiped?' or 'erased?'

You keep repeating this and I've never mentioned it. It's rather odd.

What would you like to happen? Because I can venture a guess.

Because you want Jews and Palestinians to live together in peaceful harmony without a Zionist government. Zionists believe in a Jewish state, so if you don't want a Zionist government, presumably you don't want a Jewish state.

I'm not sure how what you want doesn't involve the dissolving of Israel as the world's only Jewish state.

veilstone · 26/04/2024 00:23

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WTF

noblegiraffe · 26/04/2024 00:32

That was uncalled for.

Scintella · 26/04/2024 00:36

The head of the Met needs to toughen up - even Sadiq Khan wasn’t criticising them ( for once).
imagine the guy had crossed the road and been trampled or even killed! That would have been entirely the Mets fault for not doing their job. They can’t win.

noblegiraffe · 26/04/2024 00:37

It's a protest march, not a herd of buffalo.

namechangedforconfusion · 26/04/2024 00:38

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noblegiraffe · 26/04/2024 00:47

I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

Hélène79 · 26/04/2024 00:48

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Your posts are highly inflammatory, factually incorrect and uninformed about the history of the region (including the presence of Jews in the Middle East more generally). A very clear example of anti-Zionist rhetoric simply being antisemitism.

namechangedforconfusion · 26/04/2024 00:56

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ByGreyOP · 26/04/2024 01:05

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The Zionist movement is a very dangerous one. And they are not only as bad as Hitler, but far worse. At least Hitler was transparent and honest with what he was doing.

Okay wow. So which PBP are you?

ByGreyOP · 26/04/2024 01:07

namechangedforconfusion · 25/04/2024 23:50

This is where context is imperative and common sense goes a very long way.
If you've seen the video then you know it is Gideon Falter who states it's because he's Jewish. And then the copper says "you are quite obviously jewish in appearance..." He had a kippah on his head, so yeah I'd agree! Just like a woman wearing a niqab or burka would be quite obviously Muslim in appearance. This is besides the point. it was his behaviour leading up to it which was the deciding factor in confronting him It was ridiculous. And no sensible adult should be backing him up! He was trying to walk directly into the crowd while the police were trying to talk to him and reason with him, more than a few times.

He behaved like a giant toddler throwing a strop and should have been arrested. If he had been black, asian, Muslim, there is no way the police would have been that patient.

What was the point of walking against the flow of the protestors? What was the point of bringing your bodyguards to film it all if it was genuine?

The only thing he achieved was embarrassing himself, because there's footage dispelling what he claims.

He behaved like a giant toddler throwing a strop and should have been arrested. If he had been black, asian, Muslim, there is no way the police would have been that patient.

So what are you saying because he's Jewish he got special treatment or something?

Scintella · 26/04/2024 01:17

noblegiraffe · 26/04/2024 00:37

It's a protest march, not a herd of buffalo.

It was a pro-Palestinian march not a pro anything else - I don’t think when marchers are calling him and his cohorts Nazis it would be advisable to join the march walking in the opposite direction -deliberately goading imv

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