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Dulra · 08/04/2024 08:22

EasterIssland · 07/04/2024 21:18

Youseff has said what many of us are thinking

https://twitter.com/abierkhatib/status/1776821107972088285

Thanks for sharing. I have not seen him before but it is so upsetting that he has to admit that the world don't see Palestinians as equal human beings, that would break my heart if I had to admit to myself the world view me and my fellow country men that way.

stormy4319trevor · 12/04/2024 20:39

Dulra · 08/04/2024 08:22

Thanks for sharing. I have not seen him before but it is so upsetting that he has to admit that the world don't see Palestinians as equal human beings, that would break my heart if I had to admit to myself the world view me and my fellow country men that way.

He did a brilliant satirical interview with Piers Morgan on YT.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 12/04/2024 20:43

Dulra · 08/04/2024 08:22

Thanks for sharing. I have not seen him before but it is so upsetting that he has to admit that the world don't see Palestinians as equal human beings, that would break my heart if I had to admit to myself the world view me and my fellow country men that way.

To be fair, he is Arab (specifally Egyptian) but not actually Palestinian in his own right.

His wife is half Palestinian, and he has spoken quite openly about how uncomfortable he feels about suddenly being thrust into the role of "spokesmodel for something I had never had that much involvement with."

I find him hilarious and love listening to him - that said: he is not Palestinian!

Limesodaagain · 13/04/2024 20:13

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EasterIssland · 15/04/2024 10:00

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Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians (Thread 2)
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EasterIssland · 15/04/2024 11:50

More children have been killed in this conflict than have been killed in all armed conflicts globally, every year, over the past four years”

Save the Children President and CEO, Janti Soeripto, spoke on the number of children killed by Israel in Gaza.

https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1778818904673996830

https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1778818904673996830

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Finallyloggedin · 15/04/2024 17:37

@EasterIssland it’s so shocking and awful.

How people are still defending this is just beyond belief.

Finallyloggedin · 15/04/2024 17:42

UN report:

GENEVA (15 April 2024) – UN experts today deplored the purported use of artificial intelligence (AI) and related military directives by Israel in occupied Gaza leading to an unprecedented toll on the civilian population, housing, vital services and infrastructure.

“Six months into the current military offensive, more housing and civilian infrastructure has now been destroyed in Gaza as a percentage, compared to any conflict in memory,” they said. “Homes are gone, and with that, the memories, hopes and aspirations of Palestinians and their ability to realise other rights, including their rights to land, food, water, sanitation, health, security and privacy (especially of women and girls), education, development, a healthy environment and self-determination. And this comes on top of systematic demolitions of Palestinian homes over decades of occupation and previous bombardments.”

According to the experts, the systematic and widespread destruction of housing, services and civilian infrastructure represents a crime against humanity, a domicide, as well as numerous war crimes and acts of genocide as described by the UN Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestinian Territory in her recent report to the Human Rights Council. With Israeli public officials joining calls for Palestinians to leave Gaza, to “take back Gaza” to build settlements again, and ostensible enthusiasm expressed by prominent former US government officials for “Gaza beachfront” properties, there is little doubt that Israel’s intent goes far beyond the purposes of military defeat of Hamas, they noted.

“If proven true, the shocking revelations of the use of AI systems by the Israeli military such as “Gospel”, “Lavender” and “Where's Daddy?”, combined with lowered human due diligence to avoid or minimise civilian casualties and infrastructure, contribute to explaining the extent of the death toll and home destruction in Gaza,” the experts said.

More than 15,000 deaths, almost half of all civilian deaths so far, occurred during the first six weeks after October 7, when AI systems seem to have been largely relied upon for target selection.

“We are especially concerned about the alleged use of AI to target ‘family homes’ of suspected Hamas operatives, typically at night when they sleep, with unguided munitions known as ‘dumb’ bombs, with little regard for civilians who may be in or around that home,” they said.

They also expressed grave concern about the practice of bombing so-called “power targets” such as large, high rise residential and public buildings especially in the first weeks of the war. “Buildings that were not legitimate military targets were apparently bombed simply with the intent to shock the population and increase civilian pressure on Hamas,” the experts said.

”Between 60-70% of all homes in Gaza, and up to 84% of homes in northern Gaza, are either fully destroyed or partly damaged. The World Bank, UN and EU estimate that damage to the Strip thus far is $18.5 billion or 97% of the total GDP of Gaza and West Bank. A staggering 72% of this estimate is the cost of housing, while another 19% is the cost of civilian infrastructure, including water and sanitation, power and roads.”

According to the experts, the scale of destruction, with over 33,000 people killed and 1.7 million (75% of Gaza residents) displaced, makes it crystal clear that a reparative approach to rebuilding Gaza is essential.
“Such a reparative approach starts with Israel, the occupying power, which has destroyed Gaza, as well as the countries that supplied military, material and political support for the war and the occupation, all of whom bear both legal and moral responsibility,” the experts said.

The experts: Balakrishnan Rajagopal, Special Rapporteur on the right to adequate housing; Francesca Albanese, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967; Reem Alsalem, Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls, its causes and consequences; Michael Fakhri, Special Rapporteur on the right to food; Paula Gaviria Betancur, Special Rapporteur on the human rights of internally displaced persons

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf

Finallyloggedin · 15/04/2024 18:25

Note how they assert - rightly in my opinion- that both Israel and the countries supplying weapons must be responsible for the reparations needed to rebuild Gaza.

So Americans on the breadline, whose tax dollars are already being spent in part on “military aid” for the Israeli Govt, rather than universal healthcare in America, better funded education system, better transport, etc, will now also (if this were adopted) have to pay towards the reparations for all the terrible damage done.

I have noticed a growing sentiment of Americans fed up for their money being spent on foreign “aid” to bomb other countries. Not really surprising, it’s crazy there hasn’t been a bigger uproar sooner.

PeasfullPerson · 15/04/2024 21:30

It’s horrific, I don’t know what to say anymore. History will not look back kindly.

EasterIssland · 16/04/2024 17:44

In the past hour an Israeli drone fired a missile into a group of children in a playground. 11 children have been killed with more injured.

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1780252222279840036

waiting for idfs excuse …

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Finallyloggedin · 16/04/2024 18:11

Oh my goodness, it’s all just so hideous yet there are still people defending it.

Sickening beyond belief.

Factsareimportantplease · 17/04/2024 14:32

https://x.com/RogueWarrior24/status/1780371622631030883

Seems only 1 peoples are being driven out of countries with no where to go. Yet population for pally goes up and up and up and up.

https://x.com/RogueWarrior24/status/1780371622631030883

Scirocco · 17/04/2024 14:42

Factsareimportantplease · 17/04/2024 14:32

https://x.com/RogueWarrior24/status/1780371622631030883

Seems only 1 peoples are being driven out of countries with no where to go. Yet population for pally goes up and up and up and up.

Well the population of Palestine has gone down by quite a bit recently...

Scirocco · 17/04/2024 14:52

Minus at least 33,000 now.

ConnieCounter · 17/04/2024 14:54

Factsareimportantplease · 17/04/2024 14:32

https://x.com/RogueWarrior24/status/1780371622631030883

Seems only 1 peoples are being driven out of countries with no where to go. Yet population for pally goes up and up and up and up.

Pretty offensive and ridiculous thing to post on the "Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians" thread.

Maybe take it elsewhere.

Factsareimportantplease · 17/04/2024 14:56

Everyone always harping on about pre 1950. So few Palestinian peeps there then compared to now its ever growing. Birth rate over years means they aren't gonna disappear

Factsareimportantplease · 17/04/2024 14:57

ConnieCounter · 17/04/2024 14:54

Pretty offensive and ridiculous thing to post on the "Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians" thread.

Maybe take it elsewhere.

Facts are offensive?

ConnieCounter · 17/04/2024 15:40

Factsareimportantplease · 17/04/2024 14:57

Facts are offensive?

No, I wouldn't call them facts.

Scirocco · 17/04/2024 15:41

Factsareimportantplease · 17/04/2024 14:57

Facts are offensive?

Facts are not offensive in themselves. Efforts to minimise the killing of over 33,000 people, many of whom are women and children, and the traumatic injuring of tens of thousands more? That can come across as offensive.

The fact that a population has grown over a period of world history where a lot of populations have seen high growth does not take away that: tens of thousands have been killed and injured; almost the entire population of Gaza has been displaced; the infrastructure of Gaza has been destroyed; people are starving in Gaza; cultural and educational resources have been destroyed; and the Occupied Territories remain occupied. It does not make it ok to use snipers, drones and missiles to kill civilians and aid workers. It does not make it ok to torture and execute people.

Factsareimportantplease · 17/04/2024 15:52

ConnieCounter · 17/04/2024 15:40

No, I wouldn't call them facts.

Well go look them up then because they are facts The links are there. You don't do facts then just hyperbole 😂

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