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anotherlevel · 28/03/2024 12:07

@Scirocco what makes them think they're above them and better than them? It's just so awful. I

Scirocco · 28/03/2024 12:22

anotherlevel · 28/03/2024 12:07

@Scirocco what makes them think they're above them and better than them? It's just so awful. I

It is, and I struggle to understand how a person's heart can become so hard that they can do that.

I understand the need for detachment in combat and in strategy/weapons design, that in combat it can be necessary to see targets not people otherwise you hesitate too much and get yourself and your colleagues killed. But this is more than that. People I worked with were able and willing to switch in and out of that state of mind, and it was a professional, almost clinical state of mind. They maintained empathy and compassion, reflected on what they were doing, and it wasn't fun. It was work, a duty, a professional obligation to keep others safe. They took no pleasure in it.

This is different. The footage coming out is showing a casual disregard for life, because those lives don't really matter to the people ending them. There's footage of cheering, gratuitous violence and signs/admissions of torture, etc. The footage above looks orderly in a way that really suggests it's far from the first time that's happened. For that, I look at the wider culture within the IDF, the education system, societal factors (eg the influence of the far-right in government), etc and see a lot of things which could contribute.

anotherlevel · 28/03/2024 12:30

I totally agree with you @Scirocco. In the footage, they are just standing there casually watching as 2 humans like them are just being bulldozed into the sand after being shot at. How can you stand there and watch that and be so cold?

And what's scary/worrying is that I read a few hundred members of the IDF are returning home in the UK, Leeds and North London I believe, and some are teachers and professionals. I wouldn't want people with zero morals and disregard to human life to be teaching my kids. I also read that a lot are returning with post war trauma so imagine what their frame of mind would be like. One member who returned home in Israel, murdered his friend in cold blood. How awful is that.

Pav123 · 28/03/2024 16:37

They shouldn't be allowed to come back and carry on where they left off when they have been carrying out a genocide. They should be arrested just like they will be in South Africa

PeasfullPerson · 28/03/2024 17:44

It is scary how detached they appear to be from the fact they have just ended the lives of two people. All their hopes and dreams completely taken away from them in that moment. Treated like absolutely nothing, as if they never mattered, as if there aren’t most likely somebody’s everything. Somebody’s son, father, husband, friend. I wonder who is left to miss them, and how they will cope with all the trauma and unfairness and heartbreak.
These soldiers are criminals, murderers, the fact that it’s been implicitly allowed by their government and that they are wearing a uniform doesn’t detract from that.

EasterIssland · 28/03/2024 19:21

EasterIssland · 27/03/2024 20:13

Un thinks there are enough grounds to think Israel is committing genocide

https://twitter.com/UNGeneva/status/1773011339260149861

Reply if Franceska when a journalist asks her whether there are any documents from Israel stating they want to commit genocide

btw, I left it a thread but can’t remember which. Franceska is receiving threats after her report about Israel’s genocide

UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese Schools Geman Journalist

A German journalist has again mistaken their job for that of an IDF propaganda officer. This time it was a reporter at the Tagesspiegel who was the victim of...

https://youtu.be/NJVkJ8h7GBI?si=-X7CI8ybEn2k3zq4

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Finallyloggedin · 28/03/2024 21:04

https://x.com/ryangrim/status/1732916386534486426?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Just came across this lovely little girl being interviewed. It’s from November and I hate to think what she has been through since and if she is even still alive 💔

https://x.com/ryangrim/status/1732916386534486426?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Dulra · 29/03/2024 09:44

Not surprising given the Irish experience of famine in the 1840s when over 1 million people died and 1 million emigrated reducing the population by 25%. While the English estates in Ireland still exported grains and livestock from Ireland as the population starved.

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Scirocco · 31/03/2024 17:50

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/29/us-approves-weapons-bombs-israel

With one hand "we won't actively veto a request for a ceasefire this time... oh, and here's some air drops".

With the other... billions of dollars worth of arms to further slaughter innocent people.

I'm not surprised. Just disgusted.

US reportedly approves transfer to Israel of bombs and jets worth billions

Sources say weapons package authorized even as Washington expresses public concern over anticipated offensive in Rafah

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/29/us-approves-weapons-bombs-israel

Finallyloggedin · 01/04/2024 08:31

It’s terrible, isn’t it? I read somewhere that this may be for Israel to attack Lebanon? No idea and it’s wrong and disgusting no matter where.

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EasterIssland · 02/04/2024 12:41

Exactly my thoughts

Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians (Thread 2)
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EasterIssland · 02/04/2024 22:35

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/03/states-must-adhere-obligations-under-genocide-convention-prevent-further

francesca albaneses report regarding genocide

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EasterIssland · 02/04/2024 23:14

God help us if other countries start using this excellent technology that identifies the terrorists and doesn’t kill civilians at all

Israeli startups are looking to export advanced military technology powered by artificial intelligence whose precision has improved from use in the Israel-Hamas war.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Israel-Hamas-war/Israeli-startups-hope-to-export-battle-tested-AI-military-tech

Israeli startups hope to export battle-tested AI military tech

Development of lethal autonomous weapons raises concerns

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Israel-Hamas-war/Israeli-startups-hope-to-export-battle-tested-AI-military-tech

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PeasfullPerson · 03/04/2024 09:22

Their definition of a terrorist must be as ridiculous as the Israeli governments and the IDF. God help us.

Scirocco · 03/04/2024 09:35

PeasfullPerson · 03/04/2024 09:22

Their definition of a terrorist must be as ridiculous as the Israeli governments and the IDF. God help us.

'Not wearing the right uniform' plus 'alive'?

DomPom47 · 05/04/2024 20:38

Thank you Jack Straw, think the more current and ex politicians we have questioning what is happening the quicker there may be some change:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5XmPhkh1Oh/?igsh=MWU5bnNuMHl3Z3R1ZQ==

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5XmPhkh1Oh/?igsh=MWU5bnNuMHl3Z3R1ZQ==

Cherryon · 05/04/2024 21:18

Scirocco · 03/04/2024 09:35

'Not wearing the right uniform' plus 'alive'?

1 in 5 IDF soldiers killed in Gaza were killed by friendly fire, so not even the right uniform is a fail safe.

Scirocco · 05/04/2024 22:20

That's really sad. Thank you for sharing @Cherryon .

Every life lost in this conflict is a tragedy.

EasterIssland · 07/04/2024 21:18

Youseff has said what many of us are thinking

https://twitter.com/abierkhatib/status/1776821107972088285

https://twitter.com/abierkhatib/status/1776821107972088285

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