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Conflict in the Middle East

To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

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Muthaofcats · 28/01/2024 07:35

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

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AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:31

BackandForthRoundandRound · 03/02/2024 09:20

Interesting post. You are claiming that it is "sickening and extremely sad" in reference to children.

Yet the Israeli army has murdered thousands of children. The list of known children actually reads for seven minutes. More are still stuck under the rumble of their houses bombed by Israel.

My statement covers the children under the rubble. It's sickening that Jihad is more important than the children. There is another way. Spend the billions in aid on building a fantastic society, on the children and stop attacking Israel.

The nations that launched war on Israel years ago which Israel won decided to find a different way, they have peaceful relationships. Its the countries with terrorist organisations that run the show that don't give a shiny shine about their own people, Gaza and Yeman.

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:33

Limeandsodaontherocks · 02/02/2024 22:34

Haven’t read the whole thread so apologies if I’m repeating stuff others have said .
Yes the silence from some people about Hamas members posing as UNRWA is concerning but no longer surprising.
I have good friends - who I have known for over 30 years - who believe themselves to be moral and good people. And yet whenever I ask why Hamas can’t release the hostages in order to end the suffering of their own people they act as if the question is unreasonable.
If I ask my friends about UNRWA they will start talking about the atrocities caused by the IDF . It’s really hard to have a discussion that’s not polarising.
Serms a lot of people have been groomed by social media over the last few months.
Edited to say - I have no connection with Middle East and am not Jewish or Palestinian. But I definitely feel the pressure to “ take the knee” for Palestinians from social media.

Edited

Yep.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 03/02/2024 09:35

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:31

My statement covers the children under the rubble. It's sickening that Jihad is more important than the children. There is another way. Spend the billions in aid on building a fantastic society, on the children and stop attacking Israel.

The nations that launched war on Israel years ago which Israel won decided to find a different way, they have peaceful relationships. Its the countries with terrorist organisations that run the show that don't give a shiny shine about their own people, Gaza and Yeman.

You are attempting to blame the country which is being bombed and destroyed. They have been under a brutal occupation for years and years.

Question for you, if what you are claiming is true, then how on earth were there functioning universities there along with many schools? (All of which the Israeli forces have chosen to bomb and destroy of course.)

That doesn't fit in with what you are alleging.

EasterIssland · 03/02/2024 09:36

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:24

" Why can’t idf kill /arrest Hamas in targeted attacks."

Ah, guess the signs must have fallen off saying 'I'm Hamas' so they have to go for the buildings they fire missiles from. Tunnels under ground are kinda difficult to target. Did you not see the large number of civilian men who took part in the 7/10 attacks (as per their own personal recordings) do they stand out in crowds. So urban warfare is difficult and Israel are losing lots of their soldiers. The Russian's had similar problems with Tge Taleban. Terrorists in hiding are difficult to fight

They can kill them in Lebanon. They can kill them in West Bank but they can’t kill them in Gaza without killing around 27k people ? What kind of shit of intelligence does idf have that only works in one place but not another one?

terrorists are hiding so they’re difficult to fight ? Are you telling me every time they kill someone with a white flag it’s because they’re terrorists ? Are you telling me those people that appeared last week killed with eyes blindfolded and their hands tight together were terrorists? Are you telling me 15k kids have been killed because they’re terrorists ? Killing is NOT ok. You’re innocent until proven wrong. Arrest them. Take them through a fair court and then put them in prison forever. Don’t kill 27k people and this is what ICJ has requested. Protect the citizens. And this is what many of us that are accused to be pro Hamas / groomed or mentally ill this forum are requesting. If you don’t care about innocent citizens dying then I hope you’re never a politician or that you’re caught in a war and killed because shit happens.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 03/02/2024 09:38

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:24

" Why can’t idf kill /arrest Hamas in targeted attacks."

Ah, guess the signs must have fallen off saying 'I'm Hamas' so they have to go for the buildings they fire missiles from. Tunnels under ground are kinda difficult to target. Did you not see the large number of civilian men who took part in the 7/10 attacks (as per their own personal recordings) do they stand out in crowds. So urban warfare is difficult and Israel are losing lots of their soldiers. The Russian's had similar problems with Tge Taleban. Terrorists in hiding are difficult to fight

".. so they have to go to the buildings they fire missles from"

What missles have been fired from the university? The schools? All of the many civilian homes? The list goes on.

You are aware that the Israeli army has state of the art technology that is capable of displaying these things... their government has spoken numerous times stating that their goal is to destroy. That doesn't all fit in with your rather ridiculous claim...

You are trying to blame the Palestinian people for the actions of the Israeli army

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:41

Muthaofcats · 02/02/2024 08:21

The thread is about the hypocrisy of it being revealed that unrwa is infiltrated by Hamas who took part in a major atrocity and people who are otherwise vocal about the conflict remaining ominously silent about how outrageous this is, or worse defending it !?

I would say it’s directly relevant to query why such people are only concerned about one side of this conflict and abjectly refuse to acknowledge the situation for Jewish people both in Israel and globally. interesting you can’t see the link.

Yes.

Threads tend to go off in various directions when people don't want to answer the original question. Probably because it's a question that they cannot answer or doesn't fit their view.

Sorry I've derailled answering questions not about original question. I'll stick to thread in future

EasterIssland · 03/02/2024 09:44

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:41

Yes.

Threads tend to go off in various directions when people don't want to answer the original question. Probably because it's a question that they cannot answer or doesn't fit their view.

Sorry I've derailled answering questions not about original question. I'll stick to thread in future

I did ask you a question relate with this thread . Has iit been proven that those with body cams were urnwa members or were you accusing an organisation without the proof of doing something terrible ?

BackandForthRoundandRound · 03/02/2024 09:44

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:26

No. To the filmed footage from hamas cam and from mobile phones.

Why do some keep excusing and minimising terrorist actions? What benefit do you get from that?

Ahh so you are on here posting the claims that you are yet you are unaware of this important fact. Doesn't surprise me as it is much easier to follow blindly and repeat what you have heard elsewhere

As for the claim yet again about "excusing and minimising terrorist actions" Nobody is doing so.

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:44

Elichmoon · 02/02/2024 00:44

It unfortunately seems without doubt now that Hamas and UNRWA are intertwined. That the billions of dollars of aid that Western countries provided to them didn't go to the people at all, it all went to terrorists to enable them to cause chaos. Fuck them. Gaza needs aid, yes but UNWRA aren't the people to provide it....

Back to the thread.

Yes.

Another organisation needs to take over.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 03/02/2024 09:47

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:41

Yes.

Threads tend to go off in various directions when people don't want to answer the original question. Probably because it's a question that they cannot answer or doesn't fit their view.

Sorry I've derailled answering questions not about original question. I'll stick to thread in future

Yes, like what you have clearly done.

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:47

Where has all the aid gone. Billions in aid. Is it odd that 4 main Hamas leaders live in Qatar and are reputedly worth millions or some suggested billions. Why is that? More robust tracking of the money. Ties with Hamas need severing

BackandForthRoundandRound · 03/02/2024 09:48

EasterIssland · 03/02/2024 09:36

They can kill them in Lebanon. They can kill them in West Bank but they can’t kill them in Gaza without killing around 27k people ? What kind of shit of intelligence does idf have that only works in one place but not another one?

terrorists are hiding so they’re difficult to fight ? Are you telling me every time they kill someone with a white flag it’s because they’re terrorists ? Are you telling me those people that appeared last week killed with eyes blindfolded and their hands tight together were terrorists? Are you telling me 15k kids have been killed because they’re terrorists ? Killing is NOT ok. You’re innocent until proven wrong. Arrest them. Take them through a fair court and then put them in prison forever. Don’t kill 27k people and this is what ICJ has requested. Protect the citizens. And this is what many of us that are accused to be pro Hamas / groomed or mentally ill this forum are requesting. If you don’t care about innocent citizens dying then I hope you’re never a politician or that you’re caught in a war and killed because shit happens.

These questions are clearly too difficult for an answer. I've seen this time and time again and it is always turned around and the questions ignored.

How anyone can ignore what is happening is beyond me

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:48

BackandForthRoundandRound · 03/02/2024 09:47

Yes, like what you have clearly done.

I have. I answered questions from others.

As I said I'll stick to the thread topic in future.

Will you?

EasterIssland · 03/02/2024 09:49

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:47

Where has all the aid gone. Billions in aid. Is it odd that 4 main Hamas leaders live in Qatar and are reputedly worth millions or some suggested billions. Why is that? More robust tracking of the money. Ties with Hamas need severing

Feeding people
building houses
building hospitals
building schools
building universities
building refugee camps

do you think this is free?

TowerStork · 03/02/2024 09:49

The "silence about UNRWA being Hamas" isn't "hypocritical" and it wasn't "silence." What you saw online was very rational scepticism about the fact that Israel is a country that lies repeatedly, operates an extensive propaganda machine, and is currently killing women and children indiscriminately .... and now wants the world to shut off support to an organisation providing aid to people on the brink of famine. Gee, how could people be so unreasonable as to not believe that country?

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:51

EasterIssland · 03/02/2024 09:49

Feeding people
building houses
building hospitals
building schools
building universities
building refugee camps

do you think this is free?

Why are the leaders of hamas sat in Qatar worth millions. Money that should be spent in Gaza not in Qatar.

EasterIssland · 03/02/2024 09:51

EasterIssland · 03/02/2024 09:49

Feeding people
building houses
building hospitals
building schools
building universities
building refugee camps

do you think this is free?

Let me add a question. Why does Israel need aid money by USA ?

EasterIssland · 03/02/2024 09:53

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:51

Why are the leaders of hamas sat in Qatar worth millions. Money that should be spent in Gaza not in Qatar.

Do you have a proof they are funded by urnwa ?

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:56

Muthaofcats · 28/01/2024 07:35

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

I'm horrified at the links to terrorists. These latest links and a long line of links over the years are and have been ignored.

It's accepted that the leaders of Hamas are billionnaires and live in Qatar, its not really challenged. Why is that OK?

EasterIssland · 03/02/2024 09:57

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:56

I'm horrified at the links to terrorists. These latest links and a long line of links over the years are and have been ignored.

It's accepted that the leaders of Hamas are billionnaires and live in Qatar, its not really challenged. Why is that OK?

Thought you just said you weren’t going to derail anymore

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:59

EasterIssland · 03/02/2024 09:57

Thought you just said you weren’t going to derail anymore

It's not derailing to link unwra to hamas leaders and money tge hamas leaders have. Aid money.

EasterIssland · 03/02/2024 10:01

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:59

It's not derailing to link unwra to hamas leaders and money tge hamas leaders have. Aid money.

I shall ask you again do you have a proof that urnwa is funding Hamas and their leaders ? Or are you making assumptions/ accusations with no proof ?

Dulra · 03/02/2024 10:12

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:59

It's not derailing to link unwra to hamas leaders and money tge hamas leaders have. Aid money.

You are taking a massive leap here. Who has said and where have you read that UNWRA are linked to and funding Hamas leaders in Qatar? That is new information so evidence is needed. You can't throw out accusations like that without solid evidence to back it up

Dulra · 03/02/2024 10:15

AliceA2021 · 03/02/2024 09:17

'A few people were linked to terrorist attacks'

That's the understatement of the century. A coordinated attack from air, sea and land that took 2 years to plan!

You completely took this posters words out of context they were talking about the UNWRA staff linked to Hamas not the Hamas attack in general.
You are accusing people of derailing the thread but the only derailment was you popping on a couple of hours ago

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