To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

Agree. I'm sick of posts from my "activist" friends who fill their feeds as though they are so very educated on the issue.

It's two sided and neither is currently covered in glory.

It's a really complicated situation all round and no one is the hero but yanbu. At all.

Imagine if "just 12" members of UNRWA were conclusively found to have been doing the same thing for Israel.

The outrage disgust and anger would be palpable.

The ONLY decent thing that has happened here is UNWRA haven't covered it up, have come clean, and the governments who fund it have taken appropriate action while it's further investigated and necessary organisational changes are made.

I live in north London hundreds of miles from this and see the impact. The antisemitism here right now is utterly rife... Normal people and children are being abused, discriminated and in some cases terrorised while trying to just go about their daily lives.
Our neighbours daughter who is 13 was threatened with rape by a gang of boys on a bus ride home from school... She's 13.

My DH was also very surprised to see the stats and numbers on the disproportionate support given to Palestine Vs somewhere like Ukraine (which IMO is a fairly clear cut conflict relatively speaking)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ?

I wonder how many fit this very specific criteria?

I am always bewildered by the shouters and the finger pointers who accuse others of doing the very thing they do themselves, inability to accept that their ‘side’ is also shitty and call them out on it.

I’m not on social media so don’t see the posts you speak of or to my knowledge, come in the very specific group you address above (in bold) but I do get (thankfully less now I’ve had to flag it to Google/ YouTube multiple times) less of the various propoganda adverts from various institutions from the Israeli state.

I do not know to what extent, if any, of the thousands of UNWRA staff members had to do with what happened on October 7th, but I can not support throwing the baby out with bath water, especially in such desperate times as now. So my monthly donation to the UN (UNICEF) will continue.

What is happening in Gaza is not ok and in the unlikely event that Israel could find and kill every member of HAMAS, the injustice of what is happening in Gaza right now is the ultimate recruitment circumstance to garner more, not less support.

Have I missed something or is it only a tiny proportion of UNRWA alleged to have links with Hamas?

Like I said...
You would not see this kind of response on here if it was a "tiny proportion" with confirmed links (which it is the UNWRA have confirmed) the other way round....

There are 12 alleged to have Hamas links. 152 killed by Israel. Am I wrong there?

I am not white, I don't post on social media, btw, and I grew up partly in the ME.

These narcissists that you are describing posting on social media and protesting in support of Palestinians would be everyone of my Jewish friends, who live in Canada, America, the U.K. and Israel! In fact it’s many of my Jewish friends that are the most vocal.

Are they antisemitic or encouraging antisemitism ? 🤔

If you’re not using social media then how are you qualified to comment on something you admit you haven’t seen!? Confusing. But we can agree that any one-sided approach, on all sides, is problematic and only serves to confound the problem. I find it funny you’re accusing me of being one-sided for calling out hypocrisy?

but what isn’t funny or concerning is your open admission that despite knowing unrwa are accepting their members took part in the rape and murder of innocent people, you’re going to continue to fund them!? WHAT!? There are many organisations with neutral positions on global politics that you could support if you really care about people in Gaza. But what you’re doing is now openly funding terrorism. Bonkers.

THIS. But the minimising will be epic on this thread shortly OP.

Your Jewish friends are posting one-sided comments only focusing on Palestinians and not commenting on the atrocities committed towards their own people or horrified at Hamas’ actions or unrwa links to terrorism?

I highly doubt this….

But to be clear, I have never once said Jewish people or any other people cannot be concerned about their Palestinian neighbours or any other person. Of course we should ALL be horrified by what we are witnessing across all quarters.

My issue is with people with no prior knowledge or understanding of Middle Eastern politics or history deciding to ‘cherry pick’ their moral outrage and resultant virtue signalling based on what suits their chosen identity at any given time on social media with total blind ignorance for the propaganda they are absorbing and perpetuating and the hatred they are feeding in real life that has a direct impact on vulnerable minorities, including Jewish people.

At the end of the day, you will find many people who feel that Israel's reaction to Hamas' savagery has been deeply unproportionate slaughter of innocents, mostly children. It isn't virtue signalling to point that collective punishment is barbaric.

The anti-semitism in the UK is deplorable and should be stopped, but does not compare to the wholesale massacre and starvation of Palestinian children. The comparison is ridiculous.

I saw footage of some idiots on one of the Palestine marches and they did not even know what the Oct 7 attacks were. Ditto for the chant 'from the river to the sea' and also what intifada meant.

Only 12!? 12 members of an organisation confirmed to have taken party in rounding up grandmothers from their beds, snatching babies from their mothers arms, having families witness each other being shot and sexually mutilated. Just pause and consider that. 12 of your colleagues took part in that behaviour and you didn’t know ? And you’re going to happily log in to your next teams call and suggest business as usual on Monday morning ?

Even if it was just 1 it would be too many. Are you really going to try to minimise this? Why ? Why aren’t you outraged ?

The anti-semitism in the UK is deplorable and should be stopped, but ...

There should be no 'but' in this sentence. Shame on you.

@Muthaofcats well I am not donating to UNRWA and indeed have never donated to any large organisation, since Oxfam.

Having said that, I am currently more outraged at the mass slaughter by the IDF. I don;t see how that is minimising. Because it is happening right now.

It is Horrifying isn’t it. Dystopian

but I guess if many people are using social media as their source for how they inform their world view, and no body is posting about October 7th then it suggests why they don’t know? They are being fed a very specific form of propaganda without the education or critical reasoning skills to do anything with it.

The thing that has shocked me is peers of mine, university educated privileged people are part of it too - reposting links to posts that would take 2 seconds to fact check and dismiss etc.

The real war is the information war, I think it is deeply concerning.

oh well. I see how brown lives are worth less. How many children now is it slaughtered by IDF? 10,000? 15? I stopped counting. Whatever the estimate, it's deplorable?

While Hilary Clinton tweets about Margot Robbie not getting an Oscar.

They didn't know what the phrase meant to sone people

And some People were determined take the most offensive meaning possible ignoring what most of the marchers actually meant

That's called twisting words

No respect for people who think like that

And no respect for anyone going "oh the poor Israeli people " whilst ignoring the mass killing of the Palestinians

MSF said 8000 children killed in Gaza about a month ago. Sorry, I will use all the "buts" I want.

@Muthaofcats because the victims are predominantly Jews and so people just don’t care. I was bewildered too in the beginning. The hypocrisy is outstanding but the only explanation is antisemitism 😢

You’re an absolute joke, the fact you say ‘brown lives’ reveals your racism and ignorance, you do realise most Israelis are ‘brown’!?!

pointless debating with you.

There are 13000 UNWRA in Gaza - I don't think for a second every one of them knew about their horrific colleagues. However, it is right that the UK government stops funding until they know the full extent of what happened. I'm (personally) not going to be shouting from the rooftops about it because the my government are doing what I think they should.

Having a go at a pp for donating to UNICEF and saying she's funding terrorism makes you look every bit the partisan extremist as those you're denigrating. How many people stopped donating to oxfam after what some of their workers did in Haiti?

I might say that the only explanation for condoning collective punishment of children is racism. People just don't care.

excuse me, you’re calling me a partisan extremist for being horrified that unrwa has explicitly accepted being part of a terrorist attack. Just to be clear, you think my shock people would continue to fund such an organisation makes me an extremist? I am at a loss…