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Conflict in the Middle East

Freedom of speech you say?

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Ohlalalalala · 22/11/2023 17:16

So it's OK for famous/ less famous people to back one side but not OK for others to back another side?

These are just a few examples of how pressures/ firings are directed at those criticising Israel. Is this normal? What the heck is happening? Is this to silence anyone from voicing what they think is the truth?

BBC News - Melissa Barrera: Actress fired from Scream 7 over Israel-Gaza posts
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67494374

Susan Sarandon
https://deadline.com/2023/11/susan-sarandon-pro-palestinian-remarks-uta-dropped-1235632398/

Agent Maha Dakhil
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/tom-cruise-agent-maha-dakhil-palestine-b2451581.html

I would have understood if they imposed a kind of blanket gag order on all actors/ celebrities not to discuss the conflict.

But!

This is happening while hundreds of others publically supported Israel and were instead celebrated.

McCarthyite witch hunt, I say.

Melissa Barrera at the Los Angeles premiere of "Carmen" held at the Linwood Dunn Theatre on April 20, 2023 in Los Angeles, California

Melissa Barrera: Actress fired from Scream 7 over Israel-Gaza posts

Melissa Barrera is sacked from the film sequel for posts the production company say were antisemitic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67494374

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LittleMsTellTheTruth · 22/11/2023 17:21

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25milesfromhome · 22/11/2023 17:24

McCarthyite witch hunt, I say.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes, I say.

Ohlalalalala · 22/11/2023 17:41

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It's infuriating!

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BelleHathor · 22/11/2023 17:54

Props to Tom Cruise for supporting the agent!

Hollywood is dying anyway, just like legacy media. Just don't spend your hard earned cash on paying to support companies like these ones. Anyway the actors were on strike for months this year and no one missed them....

Ohlalalalala · 22/11/2023 18:16

BelleHathor · 22/11/2023 17:54

Props to Tom Cruise for supporting the agent!

Hollywood is dying anyway, just like legacy media. Just don't spend your hard earned cash on paying to support companies like these ones. Anyway the actors were on strike for months this year and no one missed them....

Top Gun: Maverick starring Tom Cruise is one of the best films I've ever watched. Sublime. So much so that I watched the old Top Gun from 1986!

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Ohlalalalala · 22/11/2023 19:00

OuiOuiKitty · 22/11/2023 18:35

I saw that an Irish folk band had their gig is Germany cancelled due to their stance on the conflict. I haven't heard of any pro Israeli supporters having jobs withdrawn. Amy Schumer should never work again after some of the atrocious things she posted.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-folk-band-lankum-have-germany-gig-cancelled-due-to-political-stance-in-supporting-palestine/a1178911886.html#:~:text=Irish%20News-,Irish%20folk%20band%20Lankum%20have%20Germany%20gig%20cancelled%20due,political%20stance'%20in%20supporting%20Palestine&text=An%20Irish%20band%20who%20were,people%20of%20Gaza%20and%20Palestine.

Insane. Just for showing support for the people of Gaza.

Freedom of speech in everything except criticising Israel/ showing support for Palestine. Inconceivable.

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Happyvalleyfan · 22/11/2023 19:01

I am sure that’s there a lot antisemitic posts on SM at present. There should be minimal allowance made for racism, but this shouldn’t preclude legitimate concerns being raised about another country’s actions.

SM has made it more difficult for those in power to control narrative, and I imagine they are looking to see what they can do to gain back the control.

Have you heard the leaked audio of the Anti Defamation League ceo Greenblatt berating TikTok and the loss of control of information that people have access to? He’s concerned the younger generation are not as favourable in their views towards Israel compared to older generation.

It will be interesting to see how this progresses.

ItsRainingTacos79 · 22/11/2023 19:23

Anyone who dares to speak...

www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5238505,00.html

ItsRainingTacos79 · 22/11/2023 19:24

A lot of celebrities have been silenced

calwill · 22/11/2023 19:29

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Kendodd · 22/11/2023 19:33

It's not even pro Palestine, just calling for Israel to stop the bombing is enough to be branded an antisemite.

calwill · 22/11/2023 19:33

I was speaking to DD, Year 12, and she said no one in her school would ever voice support for Israel. Young people seem to be very good at identifying propaganda

EasterIssland · 22/11/2023 19:36

BBC

Freedom of speech you say?
Ohlalalalala · 22/11/2023 19:44

Kendodd · 22/11/2023 19:33

It's not even pro Palestine, just calling for Israel to stop the bombing is enough to be branded an antisemite.

Yes, maddening!

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Ohlalalalala · 22/11/2023 19:45

EasterIssland · 22/11/2023 19:36

BBC

I missed that! Thx for sharing.

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Sprench · 22/11/2023 19:47

People go mad about this stuff because they’re ignorant about anti-semitism.

jews/Israelis/zionists ‘controlling the media’ = an anti-Semitic trope. Used by several posters already on this thread. No criticism of Israel is not by definition anti-Semitic but it often can be.

calwill · 22/11/2023 19:47

Look, this is how scared they are and look at the lengths they'll go to silence people

$20 million to get rid of a Palestinian congresswoman

https://twitter.com/hillharper/status/1727391882706378781

Ohlalalalala · 22/11/2023 19:49

calwill · 22/11/2023 19:47

Look, this is how scared they are and look at the lengths they'll go to silence people

$20 million to get rid of a Palestinian congresswoman

Wow!

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Dinkydaisy1 · 22/11/2023 19:54

The silencing is crazy.

All my children's schools have assemblies and support offered to children affected by the conflict in Israel. Palestine is not even mentioned, like it doesn't exist, and noone can be affected by it. But if you mention Palestine, you can, and have been, suspended.

stormy4319trevor · 22/11/2023 19:59

A New York political lobbying firm has offered to represent a halal street food vendor who was recently subjected to a sustained racist attack by one of its own consultants, a former state department official, in the latest encounter reflecting tension in the city over the Israel-Hamas conflict.
The Manhattan-based Gotham Government Relations firm said on Tuesday that it would cut all ties with Stuart Seldowitz, who worked in the US Department of State’s Office of Israel and Palestinian Affairs from 1999 to 2003 and later at the national security council during the Obama administration, after he was filmed harassing an Upper East Side street vendor.
In one widely shared video, Seldowitz is heard to ask the unidentified vendor: “Did you rape your daughter like Muhammad did?” In another, he states: “If we killed 4,000 Palestinian kids, you know what? It wasn’t enough. It wasn’t enough.”
When the vendor says he doesn’t speak English, Seldowitz laughs and says, “That’s why you’re selling food in a food cart, because you’re ignorant,” before suggesting that the vendor will be deported to Egypt and tortured by intelligence agents.
“The mukhabarat in Egypt will get your parents,” Seldowitz said in the video. “Does your father like his fingernails? They will take them out one by one.”
The vendor is heard asking Seldowitz to “please go” and saying that he would call the police.
An NYPD spokesperson told the outlet that they are aware of the videos and monitoring the situation but that no reports had been filed. The woman who posted the videos, who is believed to be a social activist and Columbia University graduate, said Seldowitz had been harassing the vendor for weeks.

I think it's worrying that ex US state officials can speak like this, and as yet there are no consequences. Freedom of speech for some, perhaps.

https://twitter.com/itslaylas/status/1726986614591885484