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Conflict in the Middle East

Freedom of speech you say?

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Ohlalalalala · 22/11/2023 17:16

So it's OK for famous/ less famous people to back one side but not OK for others to back another side?

These are just a few examples of how pressures/ firings are directed at those criticising Israel. Is this normal? What the heck is happening? Is this to silence anyone from voicing what they think is the truth?

BBC News - Melissa Barrera: Actress fired from Scream 7 over Israel-Gaza posts
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67494374

Susan Sarandon
https://deadline.com/2023/11/susan-sarandon-pro-palestinian-remarks-uta-dropped-1235632398/

Agent Maha Dakhil
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/tom-cruise-agent-maha-dakhil-palestine-b2451581.html

I would have understood if they imposed a kind of blanket gag order on all actors/ celebrities not to discuss the conflict.

But!

This is happening while hundreds of others publically supported Israel and were instead celebrated.

McCarthyite witch hunt, I say.

Melissa Barrera at the Los Angeles premiere of "Carmen" held at the Linwood Dunn Theatre on April 20, 2023 in Los Angeles, California

Melissa Barrera: Actress fired from Scream 7 over Israel-Gaza posts

Melissa Barrera is sacked from the film sequel for posts the production company say were antisemitic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67494374

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25milesfromhome · 23/11/2023 12:48

Girahim · 23/11/2023 12:37

So that's what this thread is about. Jewish people controlling Hollywood.

Apparently so.

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 12:54

SharonEllis · 23/11/2023 12:44

More and more confusing. As if the antisemites keep tying themselves in knots.

Yep:

Go back to Israel

Get out of Israel you coloniser

You are a Jew so are Israel

Jews don't belong on the land

Seriously I just wish they would make up their own mind. I have seen the same posters say variations of the above on a single thread at different points. They are literally just quoting the last social media post they saw I think. Hence the reason they haven't worked out they are mixing the narratives

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 12:55

25milesfromhome · 23/11/2023 12:48

Apparently so.

But are we surprised.....

feralunderclass · 23/11/2023 12:56

Alltheprettyseahorses · 23/11/2023 12:01

What did Sarondon say? Oh yes - how glad she was that Jewish people in America felt threatened. That's SO pro-Palestine isn't it?

Israel has no less right to exist than any of the other countries around it. It is not a 'zionist project' or any other racist slur, it is people living on land that was given to them by the administration that owned it.

Please read up. There are plenty of threads to inform you about the illegal occupation of West Bank.

25milesfromhome · 23/11/2023 12:56

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 12:55

But are we surprised.....

Shocked, I tell you…

feralunderclass · 23/11/2023 12:59

@Girahim to be fair one post, out of more than one hundred said this. Hardly the whole thread.

25milesfromhome · 23/11/2023 13:06

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 12:54

Yep:

Go back to Israel

Get out of Israel you coloniser

You are a Jew so are Israel

Jews don't belong on the land

Seriously I just wish they would make up their own mind. I have seen the same posters say variations of the above on a single thread at different points. They are literally just quoting the last social media post they saw I think. Hence the reason they haven't worked out they are mixing the narratives

The struggle is real.

Freedom of speech you say?
MorrisZapp · 23/11/2023 13:10

stormy4319trevor · 23/11/2023 12:48

What concerned me was that the hate was directed at the one Muslim student in a hijab, but the whole team chose the mascot! I found it horrifying that this bright young woman was singled out for racist abuse. I suppose our local aquarium will have to stop selling octopus toys now, I only hope the creature itself will be left alone as they are remarkably clever beings.

Absolutely. It's surely no coincidence that loads of union jack, Britain First type accounts are suddenly furious about anti semitism. Free pass to shout the quiet parts out loud.

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 13:12

25milesfromhome · 23/11/2023 13:06

The struggle is real.

😂

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 13:14

MorrisZapp · 23/11/2023 13:10

Absolutely. It's surely no coincidence that loads of union jack, Britain First type accounts are suddenly furious about anti semitism. Free pass to shout the quiet parts out loud.

We Jewish are not happy they are trying to get away with hate in our name too

Not like these groups normally want to cuddle a Jew. Headlock maybe but no love.

Girahim · 23/11/2023 13:16

feralunderclass · 23/11/2023 12:59

@Girahim to be fair one post, out of more than one hundred said this. Hardly the whole thread.

Yes, one post from the OP of the thread.

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 13:18

Girahim · 23/11/2023 13:16

Yes, one post from the OP of the thread.

Oops

ItsRainingTacos79 · 23/11/2023 13:29

This thread is being derailed. It was about freedom of speech and how some famous/not so famous people are being sacked/reprimaned/cancelled for daring to show solidarity with one side while others are able to get away with openly saying horrific things.

stormy4319trevor · 23/11/2023 13:30

@MorrisZapp I am actually concerned about the octopus, since many people are very fond of them and the more we find out about them the more fascinating they are. I think it's unfortunate it has been demonised as it actually needs protection. I really hope it isn't negatively affected - surely a creature can not be anti-semitic, and yet it seems to some social media users it is, (or can be called so.)

stormy4319trevor · 23/11/2023 13:32

Sorry, I have wandered off topic, feel free to ignore.

ItsRainingTacos79 · 23/11/2023 13:33

Everyone loves diversity and inclusion – until you stick up for Palestinians

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/14/israel-palestine-free-speech-dei

Ohlalalalala · 23/11/2023 13:37

ItsRainingTacos79 · 23/11/2023 11:27

@Ohlalalalala I found this which details the uproar and accusations of antisemitism at the BBC.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/university-challenge-viewers-criticise-blue-octopus-mascot/

I also read somewhere that the contestant in the hijab has been receiving hateful messages online since.

Thanks for the link.

😲 😯

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noblegiraffe · 23/11/2023 13:38

Even Corbyn, who can’t spot a massive antisemtic mural when it’s right under his nose conceded that there were antisemites who were deliberately using Zionist to mean Jew and therefore it was a word best avoided.

ItsRainingTacos79 · 23/11/2023 13:38

More evidence of silencing...

amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/01/palestine-us-activism-firings-speech

Ohlalalalala · 23/11/2023 13:40

@ItsRainingTacos79 thx for sharing. Indeed the silencing is outrageous.

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firstpasttheposter · 23/11/2023 13:42

On the one hand I'm horrified by the antisemitism and one-sided approach to the conflict. On the other hand, we can't just 'cancel' our way out of everything. The same companies that cancelled people for opposing BLM are now cancelling people because they've at last figured out that 'antiracism' can be very antisemitic. Everybody who isn't supporting what happens to be the fashionable view (or the position the Democratic party holds at the moment) loses their job.

Ohlalalalala · 23/11/2023 13:43

ItsRainingTacos79 · 23/11/2023 13:29

This thread is being derailed. It was about freedom of speech and how some famous/not so famous people are being sacked/reprimaned/cancelled for daring to show solidarity with one side while others are able to get away with openly saying horrific things.

Thank you!

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EnoughIsay · 23/11/2023 13:55

SomeCatFromJapan · 23/11/2023 12:04

And then what continue the status quo of being oppressed and besieged by a bully?

Would you prefer Israel don't defeat Hamas?

Because life under Hamas isnt' exactly pleasant for the average Gazan and that is leaving aside their tendency to provoke Israel into periodic airstrikes.

They're still firing heavy barrages of rockets at Israel, which conveniently gets forgotten about in the calls for a ceasefire.

Most people I now are very much in favour of the defeat of Hamas.

They are not in favour of inning thousands of children in order to do it.

ItsRainingTacos79 · 23/11/2023 13:59

Ohlalalalala · 23/11/2023 13:40

@ItsRainingTacos79 thx for sharing. Indeed the silencing is outrageous.

It's shockingly in total contrast to how the the world responded to the Charlie Hebdo atrocities and defended freedom of speech.