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Suella has got what she wanted

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Freefree · 11/11/2023 09:24

She purposely riled everyone up about the protests and now there are far right and football hooligans planning to counter riot and incite violence.
This is known by the police hence the heightened police presence on the day.

However it's now going to look like it's because of the pro Palestine march even though they are not planning to go anywhere near the cenotaph and its just a peaceful protest.

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Coveescapee · 11/11/2023 12:25

What a topsy-turvy turvy world we live in when those who don't want Jewish people to feel unsafe because of these "peace" marches (which I have never seen speaking to Hamas to give up the hostages or even criticise what they did) are labelled as far right. If so count me in.

Freefree · 11/11/2023 12:30

Why are the far right near the cenotaph when the pro Palestine protesters are nowhere near anyway?
They're the ones who are disturbing the peace around remembrance day not the pro Palestinians.
And yes we would have some of this happening without suella but certainly not to this level.
She's truly truly evil

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EasterIssland · 11/11/2023 12:32

Freefree · 11/11/2023 12:30

Why are the far right near the cenotaph when the pro Palestine protesters are nowhere near anyway?
They're the ones who are disturbing the peace around remembrance day not the pro Palestinians.
And yes we would have some of this happening without suella but certainly not to this level.
She's truly truly evil

I just been told in another thread it’s because the police doesn’t know how to protect the cenotaph so they’re protecting it

PaperSky · 11/11/2023 12:39

Freefree · 11/11/2023 12:30

Why are the far right near the cenotaph when the pro Palestine protesters are nowhere near anyway?
They're the ones who are disturbing the peace around remembrance day not the pro Palestinians.
And yes we would have some of this happening without suella but certainly not to this level.
She's truly truly evil

I think your emotions are getting the better of you, if you think it wouldn’t have been ‘to this level’ This absolutely would have happened.

Im actually glad in a way that’s where they went, the alternative was to go where the protests were, which would have caused a lot more trouble/escalation. (Though granted, it’s still early)

In the same way when idiots kick off of the Palestine marches, and are looked past at as part of the big picture, let’s remember most of the people there were there to give their respects. This was a tiny minority of idiots.

Neither ‘side’ has a monopoly on idiots, seems there’s more than enough to go around.

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 11/11/2023 12:41

@EasterIssland Maybe they should all sign up to serve in the force then? 🤷🏽‍♀️

Freefree · 11/11/2023 12:44

Yes definitely idiots on both sides but with Tommy Robinsons bunch and the football hooligans I can't say it's only a small minority of idiots within their groups, it's the whole bunch of them that are out to cause trouble.
I do agree with protecting the cenotaph as it could be a target for those looking to cause trouble and division however I know the organisers of the Palestine march have urged all protesters to stick to the route, be respectful and not engage in anything other than a peaceful protest

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/11/2023 12:50

Let's not pretend this is something unprecedented and terribly shocking because it's The Other Side doing it

Good luck with that, @BethDuttonsTwin ... this my good side/your bad side is exactly what I was predicting earlier and helps nothing

You'd hope to see all inappropriate behaviour condemned no matter who's doing it, but sometimes it seems that's too much to ask

Surplus2requirements · 11/11/2023 12:51

Braverman (which interestingly auto corrects to Barbarian) absolutely made the police a target of the far right specifically on this date.

Fair enough they don't need much excuse but she has legitimized the narrative that the Police are pro 'Hate Marches'.

Effectively it seems looking at the minimalising of thugs trying to break through police lines protecting the Cenotaph to get to the Cenotaph to protect it.

The police will spend the rest of the day chasing these idiots around trying to contain them, minimalise being targeted themselves while trying to keep them away from the main march.

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/11/2023 12:52

Morningtroubles · 11/11/2023 10:27

I’m sure the far right protestors and football hooligans you refer to are avid followers of cabinet politics and would not have even considered counter protesting the march if they hadn’t heard the reporting of Suella’s comments on radio 4s Today programme. Absolutely.

I'm sure many of them watch GB News.

kirinm · 11/11/2023 12:58

Morningtroubles · 11/11/2023 10:27

I’m sure the far right protestors and football hooligans you refer to are avid followers of cabinet politics and would not have even considered counter protesting the march if they hadn’t heard the reporting of Suella’s comments on radio 4s Today programme. Absolutely.

I wonder, now you've presumably heard the counter protestors / far right hooligans abusing the police, you'll acknowledge Suella's part in this all.

MableT · 11/11/2023 13:01

How utterly cringeworthy to think the HS's motives are to wish for violence. That and the childishish nicknames attached to her. She's doing her job, you know crime prevention.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/11/2023 13:06

kirinm · 11/11/2023 12:58

I wonder, now you've presumably heard the counter protestors / far right hooligans abusing the police, you'll acknowledge Suella's part in this all.

why is she responsible for their behaviour? they were always going to behave like this and the hatred for the met police was already there.

Surplus2requirements · 11/11/2023 13:12

Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/11/2023 13:06

why is she responsible for their behaviour? they were always going to behave like this and the hatred for the met police was already there.

She has talked up the police being pro 'Hate marches' and implying they are anti Armistice.
She has made the police a legitimate target of thugs and football hooligans.

Virtually all political commentators think she is manouvering for a leadership bid.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/11/2023 13:16

She has made the police a legitimate target of thugs and football hooligans.

they already were.

Peablockfeathers · 11/11/2023 13:18

Freefree · 11/11/2023 12:44

Yes definitely idiots on both sides but with Tommy Robinsons bunch and the football hooligans I can't say it's only a small minority of idiots within their groups, it's the whole bunch of them that are out to cause trouble.
I do agree with protecting the cenotaph as it could be a target for those looking to cause trouble and division however I know the organisers of the Palestine march have urged all protesters to stick to the route, be respectful and not engage in anything other than a peaceful protest

Not everyone who has travelled to the cenotaph has done so to cause trouble or because they align with those views. Every year thousands go on the 11th November and this year the vast majority are peacefully paying their respects. Of course the focus is on those whipped up to cause trouble but its not 'the whole bunch' of people at the cenotaph. I agree though the actions of those who have gone purely to cause trouble isn't acceptable, this group of disaffected men come out of the woodwork now and again to cause mayhem.

MissingMoominMamma · 11/11/2023 13:19

FOJN · 11/11/2023 10:45

They didn't need to hear SB on Radio 4. Tommy Robinson has been rallying EDL thugs to come and protect the cenotaph. Perhaps your average street fighter doesn't follow politics but Tommy Robinson does and they follow him.

Doesn’t that fucking waste of oxygen realise that this is a war too, with terrible losses on both sides?

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/11/2023 13:19

MableT · 11/11/2023 13:01

How utterly cringeworthy to think the HS's motives are to wish for violence. That and the childishish nicknames attached to her. She's doing her job, you know crime prevention.

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Her job is the safety of the UK. She's endangered the police and public with her disgusting rhetoric.

She's a lazy dangerous irresponsible women.

notimagain · 11/11/2023 13:32

@Peablockfeathers

Every year thousands go on the 11th November and this year the vast majority are peacefully paying their respects.

Agreed, I'm now seen similar reports from several veterans who were actually there this AM, i.e. the official events and the minute's silence were very well observed...

The trouble makers arrived later.

Freefree · 11/11/2023 13:33

I don't think the counter protesters are there to pay respects

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MableT · 11/11/2023 13:35

A thread for the Labour voting echo chamber. Nothng more to see here.

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/11/2023 13:37

MableT · 11/11/2023 13:35

A thread for the Labour voting echo chamber. Nothng more to see here.

I've never voted Labour in my life, but don't let facts get in the way of your ridiculous thinking.

stormy4319trevor · 11/11/2023 13:39

I thought UK was fighting the far right in WW2? So why are the far right now wearing poppies and defending the cenotaph?

sleepwouldbenice · 11/11/2023 13:39

MableT · 11/11/2023 13:01

How utterly cringeworthy to think the HS's motives are to wish for violence. That and the childishish nicknames attached to her. She's doing her job, you know crime prevention.

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Gosh you're naïve

sleepwouldbenice · 11/11/2023 13:40

MableT · 11/11/2023 13:35

A thread for the Labour voting echo chamber. Nothng more to see here.

Wrong for me too
Try thinking outside your narrow lense

Creatingusernamesismygame · 11/11/2023 13:42

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/11/2023 13:19

Her job is the safety of the UK. She's endangered the police and public with her disgusting rhetoric.

She's a lazy dangerous irresponsible women.

She’s well out of her depths. She’s horrible. She makes the law and breaks the as she pleases. Really unfit for her role.