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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti Semetism IS happening

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AbsoluteYawns · 04/11/2023 23:41

and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

French woman stabbed on doorstep in anti-Semitic attack

The Jewish woman was stabbed twice at her home in Lyon before police found a swastika drawn on her front door

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas

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SolomonEdGrundy · 04/11/2023 23:48

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AbsoluteYawns · 04/11/2023 23:54

Sadly I've seen so many posters on MN in all but using exact words to excuse what hamas has done. They 'whatabout' instead of calling it out as a henious and terrorist act.
This leads to extremists feeling emboldened.

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Perfectlystill · 04/11/2023 23:56

Agree. It's so depressing. I can't stand to see how many people are marching in favour of Hamas. I don't get it.

Bergmum · 04/11/2023 23:57

Of course it's happening. And not surprising that it happened in France either.....

snappingturtleSP2 · 05/11/2023 00:02

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somothermother · 05/11/2023 00:06

Just delete this thread it’s a welcome mat for racism.

PurpleChrayne · 05/11/2023 00:07

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With all due respect, I find your post extremely hard to understand.

DojaPhat · 05/11/2023 00:08

Have you read David Baddiel's book?

Reallifelurker · 05/11/2023 00:10

Sadly I've seen so many posters on MN in all but using exact words to excuse what hamas has done. They 'whatabout' instead of calling it out as a henious and terrorist act

Could you explain what these “whatabouts” that amount to excusing/supporting Hamas tend to consist of?

ItsRainingTacos79 · 05/11/2023 00:11

What a bizarre thing to say @Perfectlystill People are marching because they want an end to the bombing and killing of thousands of innocent civilians who are trapped and have nowhere to run.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people attending the marches are doing so peacefully.**

No one is condoning Hamas atrocities. Everyone is appalled by what happened on 7th Oct.

AbsoluteYawns · 05/11/2023 00:11

@DojaPhat yes.
It's a really good reference. Very quick to read and he makes his points so well.

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ErrolTheDragon · 05/11/2023 00:11

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Western Europe has a shameful history of antisemitism for centuries before Muslim immigration. Hmm

Fallenangelofthenorth · 05/11/2023 00:12

PurpleChrayne · 05/11/2023 00:07

With all due respect, I find your post extremely hard to understand.

Me too. I tried to mentally correct the typos and grammatical errors, as I make them myself, but it became too much and I gave up.

Can you edit it @snappingturtleSP2 ?

ketchup07070 · 05/11/2023 00:16

That is absolutely terrifying. France seems to have more attacks like this than does the UK, but it must be a frightening time for Jewish people everywhere. I don't think there's a description of the assailant yet, so better not to assume their ethnic group, I would think.

AbsoluteYawns · 05/11/2023 00:17

@Reallifelurker there were comments just after 07.10 on the now deleted threads that initially popped up. Shameful comments.

Views that taken to the extreme lead to this kind of hate we see in France.

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snappingturtleSP2 · 05/11/2023 00:18

Fallenangelofthenorth · 05/11/2023 00:12

Me too. I tried to mentally correct the typos and grammatical errors, as I make them myself, but it became too much and I gave up.

Can you edit it @snappingturtleSP2 ?

I meant people who are marching, who speaks whataboutry etc etc are unknown people to you Jewish groups. When you don't know them , better not to tag with Anti- Semitic. But I know it's tricky.

DojaPhat · 05/11/2023 00:20

@AbsoluteYawns That explains it! A terrible book, one of the worst indeed even on the subject matter. Wonder if Baddiel ever feels weird eating a pineapple.

Bergmum · 05/11/2023 00:23

ItsRainingTacos79 · 05/11/2023 00:11

What a bizarre thing to say @Perfectlystill People are marching because they want an end to the bombing and killing of thousands of innocent civilians who are trapped and have nowhere to run.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people attending the marches are doing so peacefully.**

No one is condoning Hamas atrocities. Everyone is appalled by what happened on 7th Oct.

Why don't all these peace loving people who love Jews attend the rallies calling for the release of the Jewish civilians kidnapped into Gaza?

Cropcycle · 05/11/2023 00:23

As a British Jewish woman I can confidently say that antisemitism has always been here. It bubbles away under the surface, raising its head when there’s a rise in conflict. The current war is a whole new level of horrific on every level. The pictures coming out of Gaza are heartbreaking. The Jewish person you see walking home, isn’t responsible for the suffering of innocent civilians in Gaza. People are rightfully angry in the face of such a nightmare, and all Jews are seen as guilty by association and deserve everything they get. It’s always been the case.

Im 62 and I’ve never felt this unsafe or more vulnerable ever.

hellesbells · 05/11/2023 00:23

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Lot of racism and Islamophobia about as well as this racist post shows

HeidiInTheBigCity · 05/11/2023 00:24

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Are you, like, extremely racist or are you just "innately" lacking in capacity to see beyond the tip of your own nose? Asking for a friend!

PS: I am NOT reporting your post! As a near free-speech absolutist, I believe people like you do not need my help in showing themselves for what they are!

Fallenangelofthenorth · 05/11/2023 00:24

snappingturtleSP2 · 05/11/2023 00:18

I meant people who are marching, who speaks whataboutry etc etc are unknown people to you Jewish groups. When you don't know them , better not to tag with Anti- Semitic. But I know it's tricky.

"You Jewish groups"?

I'm not Jewish. I just say what I see.

Teentaxidriver · 05/11/2023 00:26

Not rascist. More factual. My father worked in Saudi Arabia for many years. Try being a Christian there. Our religious tolerance is being tested. And yes European anti-semitism is precisely why Israel has to exist.