Anti Semetism IS happening

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and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

@Bergmum Because they consider Hamas a terrorist organisation perhaps?

there were comments just after 07.10 on the now deleted threads that initially popped up. Shameful comments.

Views that taken to the extreme lead to this kind of hate we see in France.

Ah well you often miss what’s said the deleted comments I guess.* *Pretty sure I just saw a pro-Hamas comment in another thread actually (having spent at least 2 days swearing blind no-one could be so daft..)

But most people on mumsnet seem to think that Israel is an apartheid, genocidal terrorist state too.
So if you can't march for Hamas to release the hostages by the same token you can't march for Israel to "Free Palestine" whatever the hell that even means.

What nonsense. Never in my life have I met a Muslim who is anti-Christian. People will debate why they think their religion is the correct one but I’ve never even seen this get remotely heated. It’s not acceptable, but on the rare occasions I’ve seen antisemitism it is always in relation to Palestine and Israel. Innately my arse.

@Cropcycle I'm so sorry for what you're going through. I was shocked when I studied English Lit by how endemic antisemitism is - from Oscar Wilde to T.S. Eliot. It has never gone away. I hope this violence ends soon, and that we all support our Jewish friends and communities through it.

... said the person of the [presumably - I do not claim to know who you are or what you believe] religious majority, justifying their claims that, indiscriminately, accused every single member of the 2nd largest religion in the world!

Nobody is claiming that Saudi is exactly a liberal democracy! Also: everyone knows that expats in Saudi generally take a deal of "insanely good pay for accepting that Saudi sort of sucks!"

FWIW, I am an out and proud atheist! I have lived on the West Bank as well as in Jordan. Any time anyone asked - assuming I must be Christian based on my origin - I said "no, actually, I am an atheist!".

Worst thing that has ever happened to me as a result: people insisted on arguing with me about why I was wrong!

I am not saying Islamism does not exist! What I AM saying is that it is just insanely racist to equate all inhabitants of all majority Muslim countries as Islamist or a whole religion and all its adherents as "innately" hostile towards everyone else.

@Bergmum people march because the UK government is a strong supporter of Isreal and has influence. What influence does it have on Hamas? None.

What nonsense. Never in my life have I met a Muslim who is anti-Christian. People will debate why they think their religion is the correct one but I’ve never even seen this get remotely heated. It’s not acceptable, but on the rare occasions I’ve seen antisemitism it is always in relation to Palestine and Israel. Innately my arse.
when I lived in Saudi Arabia, two Filipino nurses were executed because they had an altar in their home where other Filipino would practice Christianity. I’m going back thirty years but it was ABSOLUTELY forbidden. And the hate towards Jews… You weren’t allowed back in the country if you had an Israeli stamp in your passport.

This is a blanket generalisation which is just promoting hatred and being divisive. There are groups from all beliefs who are extreme. The majority just want to live in peace and the majority have hatred for Hamas and also for the genocide being carried out in Gaza

In Saudi Arabia… the post was talking about in Western Europe. I’m not saying that it doesn’t exist, but this person is going on as though we all encounter Islamic extremism from the Muslims we meet day to day. In my experience, this is just not true.

@Teentaxidriver is absolutely correct.

Who do you think is doing attacks such as the one in France?

No it's racist your whataboutery doesn't change that

They are not marching in favour of Hamas, they are marching for an end to the brutal bombings of innocent Palestinian civilians who's death toll in 3 weeks is now 9000 people. Many of the Jewish community are also protesting. 5000 children have been slaughtered, if that isn't something to get upset about then I don't know what is.

I hate what Hamas have done, I hate what Israel are doing now. I have no interest in anyone’s religion, I will call out these sort of actions regardless of who is carrying them out.

Calling out Hamas doesn’t make me anti-Muslim. Calling out Israel does not make me anti-Semitic.

@Bergmum the hostages are the people of Gaza who were thrown out of their homes and caged like animals. Let's not forget where all this stemmed from and who actually formed Hamas in the first place to take out Yasser Arafat. Nothing will ever condone the mass murder of 5000 children and the number is rising daily. Schools, hospitals, refugee camps, family homes all obliterated. The Palestinians have been treated worse than animals for decades but that seems to be forgotten.

It was to OP in my original comment.

“Why don't all these peace loving people who love Jews attend the rallies calling for the release of the Jewish civilians kidnapped into Gaza?”

@Bergmum In short, to change our current government policy.

The UK govt (and VAST majority of marchers) already acknowledge Hamas are deeply wrong for doing what they did and, rightly so, do not support Hamas kidnapping of these Jewish people as hostages.

The UK govt DO currently support Israel’s govt and military in the killing of 1000s of Palestinian civilians as a byproduct of their blunt defence/offence on Hamas. Those who march think this is wrong and needs to change.

I say Israel’s govt and military specifically, because there are many Jewish Israelis who do not support or stand for this blunt approach, and who are also paying the price from the current Israeli govt and policy force.

The last election of Hamas was in 2006. Over 75% of the people of the current population now in Gaza would not have been alive/old enough to vote for them.

I’m against antisemitism, against the absolute horror Hamas inflicted on Israel 7/10 and now against Israel’s horrific genocide of Gaza’s innocent children, women, elderly, vulnerable. It is evident that these angry Hamas men were borne out of decades of Gazas violent suppression and control, with huge numbers orphaned. World powers have failed to effectively intervene and stop disturbing Israeli leadership, regardless the backlash against innocent Jews people has no place in society.

DojaPhat · Today 00:08

Have you read David Baddiel's book.

David Baddiel who took 25 years to make a grudging non-apology to a black football player he mocked repeatedly by donning blackface? David Baddiel who supported Chelsea throughout their most notorious years of doing Nazi salutes at Tottenham fans? And even worse mockery.

That David Baddiel?

@DontLeanOnTheKeyboard I've not seen one single placard calling out Hamas on the marches. It's chilling how there are no chants to free the Gazan people from their bloodthirsty leadership. It's ALL about Israel and Jewish people.

That's what I think leads to the anti semetism and this shocking evil stabbing in France. It really feels like the left dont care about Jews. It's felt like that for a long time here. Its a real time recreation of Germany in the 1930s. People feeling emboldened to release their hate therefore allowing others to feed off that and commit such acts.

The evil person who committed the assault in France wanted people to know why they did it. So much so they stopped to graffiti the woman's door. It's just so horrifying...and still so many will say there isn't any anti semetism as a result of the war.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12708791/Howard-Jacobson-offers-scalding-critique-Israel-Booker-Prize-winning-author.html

This is good

www.instagram.com/reel/CzPqmUmrPkR/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

The mainstream media will fail to report this. Protests in Jerusalem by the Israeli people.

There are many conflicts in the world, eg 377,000 (yes really) people in Yemen have been killed in the last few years, 15000 from direct military action by the Saudis (who our govt support). But no protests. Why are people only interested when civilians are killed by Jewish people and not by felliw Muslims?