Anti Semetism IS happening

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and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

This.

I'm sorry you feel unsafe in the UK. Its not acceptable.

@MCOut

Never in my life have I met a Muslim who is anti-Christian

This thread is about anti-Senitism not anti-Christian sentiment.

Zionism means supporting the existence of a Jewish homeland. Why do you view this as an extremist ideology?

A lot of people died and not a peep. Why? Why not the outrage and coverage? They were people too. Women and children too. In far greater numbers, ignored though.

You’ve been called racist and Islamophobic repeatedly throughout this thread. I don’t agree. I wonder where we will be in a decade or two and how Europe and its societies will look then and whether those who dismissed such concerns as racist/Islamophobic will look back and wonder how they could have been so blind.

Don't look here look there

Interesting though

Palestine
10000 mostly civilians in a month which would be 120,000 in a year

Yeman - 150,000 civilians over 4 years

Conclusion the death rate in Palestine is rather high compared to other conflicts - so a reason to focus there now

And yes people do care about yeman and yes people do hear about it

there is the additional concern that the Israel Palestine conflict could expand and become even more serious

No idea what @Teentaxidriver said but every religion/ideology has some extremists. Just yesterday an Arab muslim student was targeted in a hit and run at Stanford University. In the U.K Jo Cox was murdered due to a an extremist with right wing views. Earlier in October a 6 year old muslim child was brutally murdered after having been stabbed 26 times simply for being muslim. None of these attacks including the one that happened yesterday in Lyon are ok. The genocide and ethnic cleansing of an entire population is also not ok. I hear pro-Palestinians condemning Hamas all the time but I don't hear as many Jewish people condemning the acts of the Israeli Government and its forces. I see mostly justification or words to the effect of we have no other choice.

👏🏽 👏🏽👏🏽 When even the likes of Piers Morgan can see the true scale of what is happening yet those in power are turning a blind eye.... it is a grave situation.

Yes it is and I’m sorry for anyone feeling less safe due to it

And the very recent change by Netanyahu to pass a law which allows protesters to be shot. This is all brushed under the carpet and ignored by the mainstream media.

I'm not in London ora big city so have only seen the marches second hand but none of their banners etc.seem to be asking for the hostages to be returned or condemn Hamas, they just look like anti-Israel. But have heard lots of Jewish people here and elsewhere expressing concern for Gazan people.And again not in London but it looks like Jewish schools and organisations and even individuals are needing security and not Muslim ones. I am extremely ashamed of this need to protect Jewish people who have nothing to do with Israel as a British person.

I've never been to a single march/protest/vigil where it's all about Jewish people. In fact the only time Jewish people have even been mentioned is by actual Jewish people who are speaking. It's only the Jewish posters on here, who don't seem to have even attended any of said events, who insist this is all about Jewish people.

I hear pro-Palestinians condemning Hamas all the time

Have you seen the video of the Iranian man carrying a placard saying 'Hamas are terrorists' at the march getting attacked? His criticism didn't seem to go down well.

There’s a narrative that blathers about the context of the 7 October attacks. It’s intellectually flabby and antisemitic in consequence rather than intent but still needs calling out.

I think this is appalling. This is so scary. This is disgusting what they are doing.. I can't believe how our governments are are not standing together. I was sat watching a TV programme called gbn.. The guy on there is from new reform.. Unlike our idiots MPs.. Conservative and labour.. He said we need to man up and all these people should have their visa, ect taken off them and sent home.. I'm so sorry your going through all this.. I worry for our grand children..

@Cropcycle I'm so sorry you feel unsafe. It should not be the case.

You cannot even see what I’m responding to 🙄 but yes, the next time somebody pops up both a racist and islamophobic comment suggesting that anti-christian and antisemitic sentiment is going on equally when that’s obviously not the case, I’ll let that stand.

@Lamelie Surely all acts of terrorism need to be unpicked to understand why they happened.

No. There’s understanding the context v excusing.

@Lamelie Anyone excusing the attacks should rightly be called out and I do. There is simply no excuse to kill innocent people for political ideologies. I've only seen the recent attacks being discussed in the broader context of Israel's government policies, settler expansion and IDF treatment of Palestinian people/children in Gaza and the West Bank. I wouldn't say it is Anti Semetic to discuss these issues as a contributory factor in Hamas terrorism. Many Jewish Israelis also recognise that these are contributing factors to radicalisation and terrorism in the region. This discussion shouldn't be silenced or censored, even if it is uncomfortable to hear, as otherwise it buries the issues and the cycle of violence continues.

I haven't seen the footage but if you have a link to it, I'm willing to watch. I can't speak for others beyond what I have heard and seen myself so will speak of my personal stance. Despite the fact that I condemn Hamas and some of the actions of Hamas, I would never go to a Pro-palestine protest and make a board about Hamas being terrorists as it feeds the media narrative of the reason Palestinians are going through this is BECAUSE of Hamas when that's untrue. Palestinians have been going through this for the last 75 years. The thing that has changed is the awareness surrounding the situation and how much of it we get to see.

There’s such little mention of the hostages in all these discussions.
Does anyone know why people tear down their posters in protest? What the significance of that is meant to be?

As usual, some people are keen to minimise and excuse anti-Semitism. It really is the oldest and most deeply ingrained hatred.

@ScribblingPixie I think the other thing to note is that Hamas has already been publicly condemned as a terrorist organisation. Whereas the Israeli government who are committing crimes of a much greater scale are legitimised and supported. You don't expect to see placards around the U.K banning paedophillia, murder, rape or theft because those things are already illegal.

In terms of violent attacks statistically Muslims fare worse. Since 7/11 I think 6 Muslims have been stabbed to death which has been related to the conflict. It's interesting that any antisemitism discussion on here always brings out the Islamophobes.