Anti Semetism IS happening

[AbsoluteYawns]

and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

@regularmumnotacoolmum 'there is no reason for him to be doing that In a pro Palestinian March'
What objecting to Hamas? Why would he not be doing that? What's so objectionable about having that sign?
I agree the vast majority are peace protesters but then it should be labelled that and the police need to come down heavily on any placards that are antisemitic. I do think there are many people there though just out to cause trouble and have no interest in Gaza. They are anti establishment and like having a pop at the police.

And @ItsRainingTacos79?

I did not mention this thread. I was responding to the OP.

Yes anti-semitism is happening here in the UK and it is absolutely shameful and those appalling anti-semites should crawl back under their rock.

There is a lot of misunderstanding about Judaism. Israel is a homeland for the Jewish people, who are an ethnic group as much as a religion. That is why people with Jewish grandparents are entitled to live there: they don’t actually check your religion. You could be a Christian with Jewish grandparents. The key thing is that anti-Semites will persecute you because of your Jewish ethnicity regardless of whether you are actually religious, which is why Jews need a homeland. Before Israel existed, Jews could not defend themselves against pogroms like the one on Oct 7th. They had the choice of fleeing or dying. This is also why it is not acceptable for them to be a minority within Israel.

All the other land partitions have involved people leaving their homes: Pakistan/ India involved significant movement of people.

All the other [sic!] land partitions have involved people leaving their homes: Pakistan/ India involved significant movement of people.

Nakba denier, perchance?

With all due respect: you are not doing your cause any favour by refusing to acknowledge the injustices and trauma suffered by the "other" side! It is equally as vile and blinkered as fucking university students engaging in holocaust relativisation on the grounds that Jewish history will not fit neatly into their binary "perpetrator/victim" view!

What do you mean by Holocaust relativism please?

Except Palestinians didn't "leave their homes". That makes it all sound very civilized and as if choice was involved. They were forced out of their homes by gunpoint, shooting, bombing, threats of their houses being bulldozed. This is still happening, 75 years after the "partition". Israeli settler violence in the West Bank is getting worse each day.

There are mass protests across Isreal where citizens are calling for an end to the bombing and killing of Palestinians in Gaza. Many Israeli people are saying the same thing as those attending the marches in the UK. 'Free Palestine' does not mean death to Jewish people.

You mean these demonstrating over thd security failings and handling of response. Wanting their loved ones taken hostage to be released. No calls for a free Palestinian, just people wanting hostages back and upset and anger that The Hamas terrorists attack wasn't prevented.

Often though they are linked

https://www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-in-tel-aviv-rally-for-hostages-netanyahu-critics-renew-jerusalem-protests/

This protest calls for release of hostages before a ceasefire.

It's the polic behaviour that infuriates me. Ripping down posters of the Israeli hostages, excuse given in case it insights upset. Yet protesters can lay out photos of Palestine children killed and carry about the effigies of dead babies. The police say nothing. We can all see whose side the police are on.

I understand perfectly as I'm sure there are many people in the UK who have relatives who fled Europe in late 19th/ early 20th century but don't practice the religion

Why are you accusing the poster of being a Nakba denier? Do you not know anything about the partition of India?

@AbsoluteYawns

absolutely agree.

would more refined laws to prevent mass marches ostensibly in support of Palestinians help as they are in effect a cover so some can demonstrate overt anti semitism with the protection of a crowd? Should we have more arrests when chants refer to the eradication of Israel as a state?

I think the unfortunate thing with any sort of racism is that you have group contagion and mass marches are a perfect breeding ground. If some one of such a kind set 'gets away with it' in a crowd perhaps greyhound be emboldened to more extreme form is anti semitism?

we need to ensure we have an environment where the government makes clear anti semitism is not tolerated so that Jewish people can feel secure and have the backing of our police and communities. To a degree this may be happening but there is a lot of work to do.

@mids2019 thank you for your thought provoking post.

We have to have freedom of speech. We also have to ensure every minority feels safe in this country. I know many people (not only Jewish people) do not feel safe seeing the sometimes frothing chanting coming from these rallys.

I keep thinking of that woman in France. It's bone chilling that such a monster has taken her life with such hate.

‘The Jewish person you see walking home, isn’t responsible for the suffering of innocent civilians in Gaza’

Whilst I am against what the Israel government is doing today, I agree with this 100%.

The average Muslim person was not responsible for 9/11 and the average Jewish person has nothing to do with the decisions of Netanyahu.

We need zero tolerance of this hideous development. My Israeli colleague was saying that she and her friends have been discussing whether they can continue living in the UK for much longer. Very sad.

@feralunderclass that's happened on both sides though hasn't it? 9.000 Israeli citizens over 25 settlements were forcibly evicted to the 1967 green line out of Gaza. For the sake of peace: people forcibly removed from their homes. 2006?
And remember that land was owned by Egypt until the six day war. There was no Palestine.

I don't understand why Jewish people are being held responsible and attacked for the actions of the IDF while Palestinians are not (in the eyes of the protesters) being held responsible for the actions of Hamas.
Can someone explain that to me?

NOBODY is marching in favour of hamas! are you alright??? they are marching for palestinian human rights. They are marching against genocide. hamas do not represent palestinian people in exactly same way that israel does not represent all jews.

I think the Israeli attacks have ‘taken over’ media space. After 9/11 and 7/7 Muslims were attacked and abused all over the world. Unfairly getting the blame. Had Israel done nothing (unrealistic of course) I think Muslims would have taken a lot of abuse worldwide as idiots would see them as ‘responsible’ for the massacre of innocents.

Because the news is now about Gaza being bombed by Israel, the Jewish people are bearing the brunt of the prejudice.

None of this is right.

I disagree, the vast majority actually have no idea what they're really marching for and should probably find out and I've seen plenty of people 'excusing' what happened on 7th Oct which is the same as condoning.

palestinians are not being held responsible???? is that a joke? tell that to the 10000 murdered.

The vast majority know exactly what they are marching for. It’s the carpet bombing using illegal white phosphorus. The deliberate bombing of innocent families moving south after they were told to move south. The deliberate prevention of food, water and fuel. The innocent children held in Israeli prisons. The attacks and killings of innocent people in West Bank. The list goes on.