Anti Semetism IS happening

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and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

@Humdingerydoo if you want a post deleted you can report your own post to mumsnet and ask them to remove it 😊
Not that I'm implying your post should be removed

How do I expect people to react? Not with anti-Semitism.

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How did they work out it was him?

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I’m not saying that you are saying that.

You have, however, probably accurately identified ( one of the reasons) why people have turned away from Israeli victims and I find that reason absolutely appalling

As I said the Palestinians are the ones who, historically, have been greatly disadvantaged by on going failure of the two state solution. The Zionists took the opportunity to create their state but prevent the creation of the Palestinian state.

The Palestinians are also in a vulnerable position as they are caught between Israel and Hamas (and neither party gives damn what happens to them let’s be honest). The numbers of Palestinian civilian deaths in this conflict are high as I’m sure you’re aware.

Theres a good chance the Israeli government will use this situation to drive the Palestinians out of Gaza. They probably would have already done it by now if Egypt hadn’t been so ruthless in keeping its border closed.

If you think caring about any of this means you’re turning away from Israeli victims then I don’t know what to say.

When I said that the Palestinians are dehumanised and overlooked I actually meant by the Israelis not the wider world (marches etc). I didn’t clarify this earlier as I though you would just get angry but it’s a pretty salient point as far as my POV goes.

It’s a shame the Oslo accords failed. Hamas and
Netanyahu weren’t in power then. Things could have been very different.

As I said the Palestinians are the ones who, historically, have been greatly disadvantaged by on going failure of the two state solution.

This is debatable, isn’t it? One could also mount a case that Jewish people are the underdogs who have been greatly disadvantaged by two millennia of persecutions, murders, pogroms and expulsions. Because that is the context for Israel. And it’s also the context through which Oct 7th should be seen by everyone, not just Israelis.

It is also a context that is deliberately put aside by everyone who demanded ‘context’ for the October 7th terrorists.

Calling Palestinians the underdogs in whole context of the ME conflict is not a statement of ‘fact’ it’s not a neutral statement. It’s a highly partisan politicized position.

The Zionists. If you must use phrases like this, the modern day equivalent of ‘the Jews’, at least have the honesty to say ‘the Zionist Jews’.

If you think caring about any of this means you’re turning away from Israeli victims then I don’t know what to say. If you can read what I say and honestly think I am saying ‘don’t care about Palestinians everyone!’ ThenI don’t know what to say to you. Especially when I have very clearly outlined to you what the marches would have to look like for me to support them, where I specifically called for a focus on Palestinian lives rather that fueling more antagonistic partisanship.

This conflict will rumble on for eternity whilst we refuse to recognize the legitimate trauma informing both Israeli and Palestinian positions.

This is debatable, isn’t it? One could also mount a case that Jewish people are the underdogs who have been greatly disadvantaged by two millennia of persecutions, murders, pogroms and expulsions. Because that is the context for Israel. And it’s also the context through which Oct 7th should be seen by everyone, not just Israelis.

It is also a context that is deliberately put aside by everyone who demanded ‘context’ for the October 7th terrorists.

Calling Palestinians the underdogs in whole context of the ME conflict is not a statement of ‘fact’ it’s not a neutral statement. It’s a highly partisan politicized position.
That’s a fair point. Historically the Jewish people have been greatly victimised.

If you must use phrases like this, the modern day equivalent of ‘the Jews’, at least have the honesty to say ‘the Zionist Jews’.
Well I have to call them something. They were Zionists weren’t they? I was told the word Jews is a big no-no?

If you can read what I say and honestly think I am saying ‘don’t care about Palestinians everyone!’ ThenI don’t know what to say to you
Thats not what I said though

@Trulywonderful if you have anymore info about tomorrow could you dm me please? Or post it on here.

Do you just mean the details so people can go or do you mean what happens on the day?

Week after week, central London has become a no-go zone for Jews.
We have witnessed mass criminality, including glorification of terrorism, support for banned terrorist organisations such as Hamas, and incitement to racial or religious hatred against Jews.

Marches have coursed through our capital regularly featuring genocidal chants, Hamas-style headbands, antisemitic placards, calls for jihad and the globalisation of intifada, songs about slaughtering Jews, and Islamist flags.
Even the marchers who did not engage in this conduct still knowingly and readily marched alongside those who did. They are just as complicit.

It is a sad truth that Jews do not feel safe in our capital city.

Britain is a country known for its tolerance and decency. The people of this country, along with leading politicians from the major political parties, stand with the Jewish community in this difficult time.

March with us in solidarity.

It isn't necessary to register with eventbrite but if people need to know about coaches to the event from their area it is a good idea

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/march-against-antisemitism-registration-757934651947

@Trulywonderful I am not local so travelling in. Found the eventbrite :)

Cool

Hope you make it. We need as many people as possible but I can't imagine that big of a crowd. I would like to be surprised though.

@Trulywonderful hopefully there will be a Mumsnet massive banner :)

Sadly there appears to be a lot of anti semitism in the UK (and on MN) so I imagine not a large number for peace march. I hope it goes off peacefully with no violence from anti semitic individuals.

Most people I believe just want peace.

The whole conflict is inherently racist. (Israeli) Jews v Arabs. This is what it's about.

Just been checking on Met twitter page for updates on the antisemitic protest today. All good so far. Pictures show what looks to be a fantastic turn out.

I think we may be surprised at number of attendees.

Yaxley-Lennon / Robertson has been arrested by the Met for refusing to leave the area of the march

The police, no doubt, thought his presence could cause problems.

On the post a bit further up about Ireland not having many jews - yellow highlighted part - "given us freer hand to take a more principled position" is a awful line. You could say the UK because it has over 250k jews has always understood the underdog for precisely that reason and that our parents put their lives on the line so that Europe is free.

Heard on the news just now that more than expected turned up, at least 60,000

The Met had already warned him not to attend - but he pitched up anyway [?pretending to be a journalist] with some of his cronies

Thanks. Hopefully peaceful too.