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DownNative · 02/11/2023 12:51

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 02/11/2023 12:03

@OhHelloTheres to be fair though. They have never been able to have a re election. The last one was supposed to be 2021 but was postponed because Israel had not allowed those in Jerusalem to vote

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/29/992065009/palestinian-authority-postpones-parliamentary-elections

No, that's what Palestinian Authority's Fatah claimed.

But the reality is that polls in West Bank in 2021 indicated Fatah would suffer another humiliating defeat to Hamas in the upcoming election.

Two-thirds of Palestinians completely opposed Abbas' cancellation of that election.

President Abbas has lost control over a northern swath of the West Bank, especially after he called off an election.

Some reading:

ecfr.eu/article/cancellation-costs-abbas-and-palestinian-democracy?amp=

www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-04-13/ty-article-opinion/.premium/president-mahmoud-abbas-has-destroyed-the-palestinian-national-movement/00000187-7a26-dc6c-a5ff-7f77277e0000

foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/06/palestinian-authority-israel-west-bank-security-cooperation-suspended-mahmoud-abbas

EasterIssland · 02/11/2023 12:59

backtowinter · 02/11/2023 12:30

Any more, or have you finished?

Here you’ve another one.

Hamas official declares "we will repeat Oct. 7 attacks until Israel is 'finished'"
Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 02/11/2023 13:00

@Poudretteite actually you said hamas said they did it. This is israel saying they did it...

Parkingt111 · 02/11/2023 13:19

I see the absolute hypocrisy on these threads
The same people who will (rightly so) condemn Hamas on their genocidal views will casually dismiss the genocidal rhetoric that has openly been said by the Israeli government
Where is the condemnation for this?

Reallifelurker · 02/11/2023 13:24

Yep. Western supporters love to talk about Israel’s (non-existent) ‘genocide’ of Palestinians but are, at best, completely silent about Hamas’s overtly stated intent to commit racist genocide against Israeli’s, or actively applaud Hamas as ‘exhilarating’ ‘freedom fighters’ . The antisemitism in this bias could not be more plain.

Genocide is debatable. I don’t see any evidence killing all Palestinians is Israel’s aim (and they also have to attack the West Bank) but as for the rest of it..applauding Hamas? Exhilarating freedom fighters? Really?

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 02/11/2023 13:30

@Parkingt111 exactly. I think then, if we are going to condemn one then we would then have to condemn the other too. As we have now got to the point where people are dieing all over and no one will ever agree either as this is happening in real time. Someone might do something tomorrow that might then change one our opinions.

This is happening in real time.

EasterIssland · 02/11/2023 13:45

Reallifelurker · 02/11/2023 13:24

Yep. Western supporters love to talk about Israel’s (non-existent) ‘genocide’ of Palestinians but are, at best, completely silent about Hamas’s overtly stated intent to commit racist genocide against Israeli’s, or actively applaud Hamas as ‘exhilarating’ ‘freedom fighters’ . The antisemitism in this bias could not be more plain.

Genocide is debatable. I don’t see any evidence killing all Palestinians is Israel’s aim (and they also have to attack the West Bank) but as for the rest of it..applauding Hamas? Exhilarating freedom fighters? Really?

More and more Israel politicians from the government are talking about clearing the area and moving them to Egypt (there are some documents)
also , there has been some attacks in West Bank in last few weeks

backtowinter · 02/11/2023 13:48

Egypt doesn't want to take Palestinians. Why would that be?

ChalkWitch · 02/11/2023 13:57

@Poudretteite my god that’s awful.

Reallifelurker · 02/11/2023 15:46

More and more Israel politicians from the government are talking about clearing the area and moving them to Egypt (there are some documents)
also , there has been some attacks in West Bank in last few weeks

Thats ethnic cleansing though not genocide.

Reallifelurker · 02/11/2023 15:46

Egypt doesn't want to take Palestinians. Why would that be?

Hamas

Reallifelurker · 02/11/2023 15:49

I confess to being shocked to my core at the ignorance and stupidity of those blindly supporting "Palestine" HAMAS and the ease with which they have dismissed the 7/10 attacks. I'm not given to hyperbole but have at times felt physically nauseous reading some posts here on MN, let alone other SM platforms. I feel like we are on the edge of some dreadful precipice. Can't even face trying to debate on here anymore.

FFS another one - do you really think think anyone who doesn’t shrug the horrors the Palestinians off is supporting Hamas?

Oliotya · 02/11/2023 16:10

backtowinter · 02/11/2023 13:48

Egypt doesn't want to take Palestinians. Why would that be?

Egypt has plenty of it's own problems. It's not difficult to imagine why they don't want millions of refugees, and 25000 terrorists dumped on them.

Silence1 · 02/11/2023 16:18

ChalkWitch · 02/11/2023 13:57

@Poudretteite my god that’s awful.

In case you missed it about that particular story
"The IDF did not comment on Moskowitz's claim about the baby, however, and the JC was not able to independently verify it."

OhHelloTheres · 02/11/2023 17:04

Silence1 · 02/11/2023 16:18

In case you missed it about that particular story
"The IDF did not comment on Moskowitz's claim about the baby, however, and the JC was not able to independently verify it."

And if the IDF do comment on it in the future and say it's true, will you believe them?

Parkingt111 · 02/11/2023 18:22

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Parkingt111 · 02/11/2023 18:25

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Wrong thread
Will ask MNHQ to delete

Stomacharmeleon · 02/11/2023 18:43

@OhHelloTheres I think some things are so unfathomable that people almost demand evidence visually. Because we cannot imagine such a thing.

Poudretteite · 02/11/2023 18:47

I really hope it's not true, because it was so upsetting to hear the testimony. But Hamas has done equally unspeakable things that they have celebrated - which I confused this incident with - so it's not a consolation.

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OhHelloTheres · 02/11/2023 18:54

Stomacharmeleon · 02/11/2023 18:43

@OhHelloTheres I think some things are so unfathomable that people almost demand evidence visually. Because we cannot imagine such a thing.

I know. I get it. I'm just wondering if they'll believe it if Israel confirms it as so far, people don't seem to believe anything Israel says. There can be irrefutable evidence in the form of Hamas' own videos but if IDF post it they say it's fake 🤦🏻‍♀️

Parkingt111 · 02/11/2023 19:15

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Stomacharmeleon · 02/11/2023 19:30

There were many unspeakable acts on October 7th which many journalists had the misfortune to be privy too.

EasternStandard · 02/11/2023 19:32

Stomacharmeleon · 02/11/2023 19:30

There were many unspeakable acts on October 7th which many journalists had the misfortune to be privy too.

It must have been destroying

On one hand you had SM deniers but also the horror of it

I’m not close to it and it’s on my mind as the most depraved acts I’ve heard

Stomacharmeleon · 02/11/2023 20:08

Hezbollah are firing multiple rockets into Israel at the Moment largely into evacuated Israeli towns.
It will be interesting what the Ayatollah says tomorrow.

Trulywonderful · 02/11/2023 21:31

Israel have now made a website to show some of the things that have happened. I won't look at it because I can't bare too.

The thing is the Hamas apologies will call everything fake or say but whatabout

And those with extremists views that like to see Jewish suffer will enjoy seeing those photos and video clips. Probably get off on it

I really wish Israel hadn't made the website