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youngones1 · 04/11/2023 14:55

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 01/11/2023 19:59

True

youngones1 · 04/11/2023 14:57

Parkingt111 · 02/11/2023 12:12

Biden said the attacks by "extremist settlers" amounted to "pouring gasoline" on the already burning fires in the Middle East since the Hamas attack.
"It has to stop. They have to be held accountable. It has to stop now,"

Exactly

Fallenangelofthenorth · 04/11/2023 15:44

EasterIssland · 02/11/2023 09:46

I have read the oven story is not real and it is based in something that actually idf did to a Palestinian child
https://twitter.com/realstewpeters/status/1719769906013458453

You think Stew Peters is a credible news source? Can I ask what your opinion is on Climate change, vaccinations, new world order and the illuminati?

Stomacharmeleon · 04/11/2023 15:47

@Parkingt111

Hamas official declares "we will repeat Oct. 7 attacks until Israel is 'finished'"
Parkingt111 · 04/11/2023 16:00

@Stomacharmeleon thanks
Could you kindly send the link so I can read the article as its abit blurry on my screen

As said the source was from the excerpt in the book which has been published i only put it up as you asked the poster for a source and i remembered reading about it.

Aso just to clarify i have not once debated on the nature of the atrocities that took place on the 7th of October with anybody on this thread or in real life.It'sturbing enough without going into miniscule detail.
And I also don't wish to debate about the atrocities of the Deir Yassin massacre here either

Parkingt111 · 04/11/2023 16:06

*disturbing enough

Stomacharmeleon · 04/11/2023 16:08

@Parkingt111 14.31, 14.36.
How can you just throw things out so liberally and then say ' I don't to talk about it'
I have said to you before it's like gore too trumps. If you really feel that strongly about it why persist on doing it.
It's almost ghoulish.

Parkingt111 · 04/11/2023 16:11

Stomacharmeleon · 04/11/2023 16:08

@Parkingt111 14.31, 14.36.
How can you just throw things out so liberally and then say ' I don't to talk about it'
I have said to you before it's like gore too trumps. If you really feel that strongly about it why persist on doing it.
It's almost ghoulish.

I didn't post about it
Someone else did
And after that it was you who specifically asked for a source. I posted it in response to you asking for that

ArtyStripedSocks · 04/11/2023 16:40

I am replying to the op and haven't the stamina to read the thread because I am profoundly fatigued and depressed by the nouveau left wing middle class brand of antisemitism
It is so awful! These barbarians have told us who they are again and again, and yet people who genuinely consider themselves decent are complicit in calling for the obliteration of Israel/Jews. I am terrified for my British Jews and wish there was something I could do. I am sickened to my core by those useful idiots who are joining the 'pro Palestine' marches. Ignorance is no excuse. Just like it wasn't in the 1940's.

Stomacharmeleon · 04/11/2023 17:18

@Parkingt111 I was literally talking to another poster.

Xenia · 04/11/2023 17:22

Arty, I agree. However I am glad MN has debate on the issues and that those of us on both sides can talk about them, even if there is a massive gulf between us at times.

Terrorists like Hamas will never stop. Israel has no choice but to react to the invasion as it has done. Pakistan is expelling 1.7m Afghans and I believe Iran is doing so too.One reason Pakistan is doing so it that there aer a lot of terrorists amongst the 1.7m who are causing a lot of damage in Pakistan. We need to stand up to terrorists ilke Hamas, Al Q. ISIS.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2023 17:26

ArtyStripedSocks · 04/11/2023 16:40

I am replying to the op and haven't the stamina to read the thread because I am profoundly fatigued and depressed by the nouveau left wing middle class brand of antisemitism
It is so awful! These barbarians have told us who they are again and again, and yet people who genuinely consider themselves decent are complicit in calling for the obliteration of Israel/Jews. I am terrified for my British Jews and wish there was something I could do. I am sickened to my core by those useful idiots who are joining the 'pro Palestine' marches. Ignorance is no excuse. Just like it wasn't in the 1940's.

@ArtyStripedSocks I feel much like you

Parker231 · 04/11/2023 17:34

ArtyStripedSocks · 04/11/2023 16:40

I am replying to the op and haven't the stamina to read the thread because I am profoundly fatigued and depressed by the nouveau left wing middle class brand of antisemitism
It is so awful! These barbarians have told us who they are again and again, and yet people who genuinely consider themselves decent are complicit in calling for the obliteration of Israel/Jews. I am terrified for my British Jews and wish there was something I could do. I am sickened to my core by those useful idiots who are joining the 'pro Palestine' marches. Ignorance is no excuse. Just like it wasn't in the 1940's.

There’s a huge difference in supporting Palestinians which many of us do. Don’t know anyone who supports Hamas. I also support Israelis but don’t support their government.

Trulywonderful · 04/11/2023 18:05

Parker231 · 04/11/2023 17:34

There’s a huge difference in supporting Palestinians which many of us do. Don’t know anyone who supports Hamas. I also support Israelis but don’t support their government.

The problem is at the marches there are not signs condemning Hamas
There are not signs demanding the hostages are released. There are not signs telling Hamas to stop firing missiles at civilian homes in Israel, which they have done since the start of the pogrom and have not stopped. The one signs people see are ones condemning Israel or some antisemitism ones.

If people don't want the general public and Jewish people to say these are hate marches then a lot needs to change. It is not by a long shot a decent thing to be part of a marches that behaves in this way. People find it hard to believe most supporters are really interested in the Gazens when they only challenge or shout about one side of the issue. When they don't acknowledge on the marches any deaths on one side. When they don't demand the release of babies and children from Hamas.

SomeCatFromJapan · 04/11/2023 18:07

It's worse than that at some of the marches, there's praise for the terror attacks.

https://twitter.com/hurryupharry/status/1720807384916857218

https://twitter.com/hurryupharry/status/1720807384916857218

PinkTonic · 04/11/2023 18:08

Parker231 · 04/11/2023 17:34

There’s a huge difference in supporting Palestinians which many of us do. Don’t know anyone who supports Hamas. I also support Israelis but don’t support their government.

@ArtyStripedSocks I feel the same.

Parker231 there is a huge difference between not supporting the current Israeli government and calling for the eradication of the state of Israel which is what much of the pro Palestinian rhetoric is doing, whether by overtly chanting from the river to the sea or by demanding a ceasefire. Hamas don’t want a ceasefire. They want to obliterate Israel and kill all the Jews.

ArtyStripedSocks · 04/11/2023 19:30

@PinkTonic this. Absolutely.
So absolutely sick and tired if this bs.
@Parker231 A very simple question you should probably consider when deciding to go on a fluffy pro Palestine march, is 'do you believe that Israel has the right to exist as a sovereign state?', and if your answer is anything other than 'no', then you don't belong on one of those marches.

Parker231 · 04/11/2023 19:39

@ArtyStripedSocks - I believe in a peaceful state of Israel but don’t believe that the Israelis have the right to bomb Palestinians from their land. Unfortunately it looks as if there is more violence in the West Bank as well now. No demonstrations over the conflict where I live.

ketchup07070 · 04/11/2023 19:43

@PinkTonic Out of interest do you think 'between the sea and the river Jordan there will be only Israeli sovereignty' is calling for the eradication of a (potential) Palestinian state? It's from Likud's founding charter.

ArtyStripedSocks · 04/11/2023 20:44

@Parker231 what do you think would constitute a proportionate response from Israel to the atrocities committed by a nihilistic death cult on 7/10?
I will list some of the atrocities recorded by Hamas on my next post, as I believe it is the norm for posts detailing these atrocities to be deleted, but it's worth a try.

ArtyStripedSocks · 04/11/2023 20:47

@Parker231
A few of the documented atrocities committed by Hamas on 7/10:
Women and children raped
Women raped next to the dead bodies of their friends
Babies cooked in ovens as their mothers were raped
Bodies dismembered
Babies sliced from the pregnant bellies of their mothers
Families tied together and burnt
Homes burnt with families inside.
This is just for starters.

Parker231 · 04/11/2023 20:49

ArtyStripedSocks · 04/11/2023 20:44

@Parker231 what do you think would constitute a proportionate response from Israel to the atrocities committed by a nihilistic death cult on 7/10?
I will list some of the atrocities recorded by Hamas on my next post, as I believe it is the norm for posts detailing these atrocities to be deleted, but it's worth a try.

We’re all aware of what happened on and since 7 October. However I don’t believe that an Israeli life is worth more than a Palestinian life and vice versa.

Parker231 · 04/11/2023 20:50

ArtyStripedSocks · 04/11/2023 20:47

@Parker231
A few of the documented atrocities committed by Hamas on 7/10:
Women and children raped
Women raped next to the dead bodies of their friends
Babies cooked in ovens as their mothers were raped
Bodies dismembered
Babies sliced from the pregnant bellies of their mothers
Families tied together and burnt
Homes burnt with families inside.
This is just for starters.

Why have you listed what we already are all very aware of?

Stomacharmeleon · 04/11/2023 20:51

Can we not....

ArtyStripedSocks · 04/11/2023 20:56

Of course not. Fgs. Not one person ever has said that an Israeli life is worth more than a Palestinian life, but Israel has a right to defend itself.
Again, what is a proportionate response? No one in their right mind would suggest that the right response is for Israel to perpetrate exactly the same crimes against Palestinian civilians as were perpetrated against Israeli civilians.

There can't be a like-for-like retaliation. Israel must destroy Hamas.