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Horrificallyuntidy · 01/11/2023 19:37

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sleepyscientist · 01/11/2023 19:44

We are ultimately responsible for this by creating the modern day state of Israel. On one hand you have a terrorist organisation that needs to be irradicated but instead of using one the best armies on the planet to target attacks on the ground they are carpet bombing children. You then have a leader calling for Jihad hiding behind the innocent.

It's looking more and more like dealing with children fighting over a toy, that if you can't share no one can have it. Looking on the only solution seems to be a two state solution (maybe moving Gaza to the side of the West Bank so it's not isolated) administered by a neutral party (I.e. not America or Iran) like NATO possibly for decades to come.

Noicant · 01/11/2023 19:47

I don’t understand how people can skim past the fact that the leaders of Gaza (who Gazans appear to be stuck with whether they like it or not, I posted before about the protest movements within Gaza against Hamas) celebrate their deaths.

Netanyahu isn’t out there saying everytime an Israeli dies he feels a bit more invigorated and motivated. I think Israel’s view is the norm which is every death due to a terror attack is tragic and/ or a failure of government.

Hamas are completely mental. Jeez I pity the Gazans that this is who they ended up with.

EasternStandard · 01/11/2023 19:49

Noicant · 01/11/2023 19:47

I don’t understand how people can skim past the fact that the leaders of Gaza (who Gazans appear to be stuck with whether they like it or not, I posted before about the protest movements within Gaza against Hamas) celebrate their deaths.

Netanyahu isn’t out there saying everytime an Israeli dies he feels a bit more invigorated and motivated. I think Israel’s view is the norm which is every death due to a terror attack is tragic and/ or a failure of government.

Hamas are completely mental. Jeez I pity the Gazans that this is who they ended up with.

I do too. But also concerning for the world generally

It’s extremely destructive, depraved and violent

Horrificallyuntidy · 01/11/2023 20:03

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CapitaineBelkacem · 01/11/2023 20:05

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 01/11/2023 19:59

This is utter bullshit

Noicant · 01/11/2023 20:14

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I don’t think anyones shocked that they are bad. It’s the completely unashamed admission that they literally give no shits about civilians. Not one iota of feeling there, the complete absence of any concern or duty to them. The admission of complete indifference is something more than bad, it’s psychopathic.

They churn our fatality numbers as a propaganda, there are idiots out there supporting them and glorifying the attacks claiming to be pro-Palestinian and they aren’t, they are pro hamas.

CapitaineBelkacem · 01/11/2023 20:53

I mean, even if that were true - which I refute, and btw the sources you have posted are a joke - I don't see what difference it would make to the fact that Hamas carried out the atrocities of 7th October and has stated that it intends to do the same again until everyone in Israel is dead.

Namedmyself · 01/11/2023 21:11

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Namedmyself · 01/11/2023 21:14

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PurpleChrayne · 01/11/2023 21:19

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Denying the right of Israel to exist is one of the widely agreed-upon tenets of Anti-Semitism. Why are you such a consistently vile anti-Semite? What did we ever do to you? Do you get so wound up about other conflicts that have precisely zero to do with you? Idiotic rhetoric like yours is placing people like me in danger.

EasternStandard · 01/11/2023 21:20

PurpleChrayne · 01/11/2023 21:19

Denying the right of Israel to exist is one of the widely agreed-upon tenets of Anti-Semitism. Why are you such a consistently vile anti-Semite? What did we ever do to you? Do you get so wound up about other conflicts that have precisely zero to do with you? Idiotic rhetoric like yours is placing people like me in danger.

It’s horrendous to see. I’m glad mnhq delete quickly

EasterIssland · 01/11/2023 21:25

Im a bit surprised that you all are surprised that someone high up from Hamas has said this. I mean … they’re just saying what their purpose has always been aren’t they?

ketchup07070 · 01/11/2023 21:33

HoldOnMiGenna · 01/11/2023 19:06

Well, to be fair, nowhere has the Israeli government stated that its aim is the destruction of what is considered Palestine.
But the government has stated it's aim is to eradicate Hamas.
So it isn't the same thing as the clear and stated aim of Hamas as to the destruction of Israel being its main aim....far above the creation of a Palestine.

The founding charter of Netanyahu's Likud party states that 'between the sea and the Jordan there will be only Israeli sovereignty.' That sounds like there's no room for a Palestine in the government's vision?
‘From the river to the sea’: where does the slogan come from and what does it mean? | Israel-Hamas war | The Guardian

‘From the river to the sea’: where does the slogan come from and what does it mean?

Andy McDonald was suspended from the Labour party for using the phrase, which some say advocates the eradication of Israel

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/from-the-river-to-the-sea-where-does-the-slogan-come-from-and-what-does-it-mean-israel-palestine

CapitaineBelkacem · 01/11/2023 22:14

EasterIssland · 01/11/2023 21:25

Im a bit surprised that you all are surprised that someone high up from Hamas has said this. I mean … they’re just saying what their purpose has always been aren’t they?

I'm not surprised at all. I am disappointed that this is not being more widely reported and acknowledged. I am disappointed that despite such statements by the Hamas leadership, people are still going on about ceasefires when for a ceasefire to work, it needs to be agreed and stuck to on both sides, yet what is clear is that Hamas have no intention of peace. I am not surprised at all at the attempts at whataboutery on this thread.

EasterIssland · 01/11/2023 22:20

CapitaineBelkacem · 01/11/2023 22:14

I'm not surprised at all. I am disappointed that this is not being more widely reported and acknowledged. I am disappointed that despite such statements by the Hamas leadership, people are still going on about ceasefires when for a ceasefire to work, it needs to be agreed and stuck to on both sides, yet what is clear is that Hamas have no intention of peace. I am not surprised at all at the attempts at whataboutery on this thread.

None of the sides really want a ceasefire. Whilst there are ceasefires going on hamas has been attacking Israel and Israel has been attacking Palestine. So there would be still innocent lives taken away and people being kicked out from their houses from settlers. Even then that scenario is better than the current one.

BethDuttonsTwin · 01/11/2023 22:25

No surprises here. Anyone with two brain cells and a modicum of critical thinking knew this already. I confess to being shocked to my core at the ignorance and stupidity of those blindly supporting "Palestine" HAMAS and the ease with which they have dismissed the 7/10 attacks. I'm not given to hyperbole but have at times felt physically nauseous reading some posts here on MN, let alone other SM platforms. I feel like we are on the edge of some dreadful precipice. Can't even face trying to debate on here anymore.

Trulywonderful · 01/11/2023 22:28

PurpleChrayne · 01/11/2023 21:19

Denying the right of Israel to exist is one of the widely agreed-upon tenets of Anti-Semitism. Why are you such a consistently vile anti-Semite? What did we ever do to you? Do you get so wound up about other conflicts that have precisely zero to do with you? Idiotic rhetoric like yours is placing people like me in danger.

They keep having posts deleted. I don't understand why mumsnet haven't banned them. This was the second deleted post in 24 hours that I have seen and I don't look at all the threads in this topic.

PurpleOrchid42 · 01/11/2023 22:52

graziois · 01/11/2023 17:51

@Namedmyself if another country said the same about the country where you live and said clearly their aim was to wipe you and your fellow citizens out, regardless of your political or humanitarian beliefs, what would you expect your government/leadership to do? What do you think would be the reasonable response?

I'd expect them to take steps to prevent it/remove the threat. I wouldn't expect them to think it was green light to kill thousand and thousand of innocent people. Especially not innocent children. That makes Isreal into the monster. They no longer have any moral high ground on which to act.

FarEast · 01/11/2023 22:57

So anyone asking for peace or a ceasefire or even a 2 state solution - here’s your answer.

Salumanndi · 01/11/2023 22:59

Wanting the dismantling of the preset Israeli state is not anti-semitism. I swear to god, some of you are just being willfully dense on this point.

You know who most want Israel gone? The ultra orthodox Jews, because it's literally not for mankind to have brought about in the way they did.

Salumanndi · 01/11/2023 23:01

FarEast · 01/11/2023 22:57

So anyone asking for peace or a ceasefire or even a 2 state solution - here’s your answer.

There is never going to be a two state solution. That boat has long since sailed.

What may happen now, is the slow disintegration of an Israel that was already crumbling from internal contradictions, which has now decided to double down on making sure the rest of the world absolutely does not like it now.

Well played, Netanyahu. If anyone could say "mission accomplished" for ending the Zionism project, I guess it's him and not Hamas or Arafat or the Fatah or Iran or anyone else.