Thread 2 To think Hamas have given Israel the excuse they were looking for?

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First thread here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4916801-to-think-hamas-have-given-israel-the-excuse-they-were-looking-for?page=38

Very disappointing to wake up to see that Israel is still blocking the delivery of diesel to keep Gazan hospital generators running

Maybe today there will be some further movement on the supply of humanitarian aid and the incr pressure from Israels allies particularly the US will result in more concessions

There will not only be the 130 premature babies at risk but also adults in ICU and any patients who are receiving oxygen - you really can't run a hospital without electricity

5000 pregnant Palestinian women are due to give birth in Gaza in the next 4 weeks - many will do so without any medical care or hygeine provision And planned c-sections won't take place

Dehydration impairs then stops breastfeeding and baby milk will be hard to find

So not just the 130 premature infants at risk

All adding to the pre-existing suffering of bereaved Jewish and Palestinian parents and families over the last fortnight

Egypt and Israel have co-operated for years over who and what passes through Egypt-Gaza border - both at the border crossing but also via the maze of illegal Hamas smuggling tunnels under the border. eg Egypt flooded many tunnels a few years ago

Tunnels go between Hamas safe houses in Rafah, Gaza and Rafah City just over the border in Egypt which is why Israel bombs homes in Rafah

One of Israels stated top priorities is to 'apprehend' the 2 'masterminds' behind the attack on Israel on 7/10 who were believed to still be in Gaza at the time. Bombing of the Rafah crossing area tunnels started on day 1 of the war ?presumably to stop their escape amongst other objectives

This killed 3 Egyptian border guards and the official crossing hasn't been meaningfully open since then - apart from the recent passage of 3 aid convoys

'500+ foreign passport holders' - mainly from US but actually there are 10s thousands non-US are not being allowed to leave Gaza - ?extra hostages ?stopping high ranking Hamas discretely leaving

This.

Absolutely not!! But I can see how, having catastrophically failed to protect Israel on 7 October because he was wrapped up in his own stupid agenda, he'd want to give the illusion of arming people for their own protection.

Ugh... What a mess. Presumably this is what Hamas wanted to provoke.

Ah OK I misunderstood you. I see what you mean he's trying even harder now to prove he is capable

Do people such as the quote in this post know the full extent of barbarity and atrocities committed by Hamas when they say the terrorist organisation is not so bad

I don't blame you for misunderstanding. I'd have expressed it better if I hadn't been falling asleep 😊

Well that's worked well in the USA's domestic arms race, hasn't it?

There's a small fire burning merrily on the West Bank with lots of fuel laid by - how will adding a bit of Kerosene now help anyone?

Guns for Peace?

Listening to Qatar spokesperson this morning I appreciate their de escalatory approach

Not inflaming the region and general talks to both sides are a good priority

@EasternStandard you may want to Google just how much of Hamas’ money comes from Qatar.

Something which I've not seen mentioned before today is the 278 survivors of the 7/10 Hamas attack still recovering in hospital

40 of whom are in a serious condition

Lives changed forever doesn't really cover it

Yes. He did answer on that.

They are also mediating on Russia returning Ukrainians

De escalation in the region is incredibly important

Maybe not all positI’ve, or all negative. I can’t draw complete conclusions as not read up enough but on balance is it good Qatar are taking this role or not, worth a consideration in the overall picture

You’re less cynical than I am!

I don’t know if I am

But escalation in the region has been on my mind so anyone who focuses on reducing that risk I’ll hear

I can’t say I know it in-depth though, just R4 this morning

This. 100%.

Where did I say it would help?

This.

@EasternStandard & @Stomacharmeleon I did misread the post. Apologies.

I thought the poster was referring to eradication of Gaza/Palestinians. Instead rhey were referring to Hamas.

On closer Inspection/reread

My apology for misreading.
There is enough confusion.
Sorry again.

That said, I don't find language such as eradication helpful.

It begs confusion and anger.

Brought to justice and tried (if possible) 💯 but dehumanising language does none of us any favours.

We must seek to be better than terrorists.
Its exactly why I had such problems with the term "human animals"

We all
Know how it goes when we dehumanise.

We are better than terrorists or we damm well should
Be.
Israel Gvmt definitely should be & currently are not.

I'm so glad I don't think like you do. I actually find your post insulting to the victims of the disgusting acts Hamas carried out.

@Wonkasworld and I'm so glad I'm not like you, not giving a shit about the innocent victims of Israelis war crimes.

I (and most sensible posters on here) care very much about the innocent victims of Hamas terrorists AND the horrors currently being subjected on innocent palestinian civilians at the moment.

It's not a contradiction to think both of these horrors are well, horrible & that a Palestinian baby is the same as an Israel baby.
Precious .

You change the tone in your posts, like the wind. Wasn't it you who accused some of us as having dark souls?

Now you are offended at dehumanisation! As for bringing to trial those scumbags, oh please. Yes, it's bloody insulting so quit with the faux we shouldn't be as bad as the terrorists act.

I can’t agree on the subsequent post as I am so horrified by the atrocities carried out by Hamas, but I appreciate you clarified this

Apologies

You really weren't being very clear and I type slowly so you'd posted several times more before I'd finished