Please restore my faith in humanity..Israel?

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I don’t view Hamas as humans, they are pure evil.

However I am astonished at the atrocities Israel are committing and getting away with, I want to believe they are good and just defending themselves but it’s getting harder to do that. I have some questions if anyone could answer, I would be grateful. Before this gets deleted as that’s probably inevitable as mumsnet doesn’t like anyone questioning Israel.

Over 1,000 children have been killed since this all began. Why are Palestinian children’s lives not viewed as important as Israelis?

To the people who say Israel need to destroy Hamas. If Hamas had underground tunnels within Israel. Underneath Israeli homes, hospitals. Would you support the dropping of bombs and view the killing of innocent Israeli civilians as collateral damage and an unavoidable tragedy? Or do you think Israel, who has arguably the most efficient intelligence in the world, would find another way to obliterate them?

The UK and US wrongfully invaded Iraq killing thousands of civilians, some members of the army were raping women and in one case burnt a child alive. If at that time, Iraq had decided to bomb the UK killing thousands of civilians as a way to defend themselves, would you also support that?

The most recent tragedy last night at the hospital. Israel immediately took responsibility and were quite proud they had ‘killed terrorists’. They then deleted this tweet and backtracked saying it was Hamas, releasing audio between two members as ‘proof’.

How can they intercept phone calls between terrorists but failed to see the initial attack and massacre of innocent israelis coming? How is this considered as proof? The two people talking could be anyone.

Why would they claim responsibility if it was nothing to do with them?

What are the chances that a rocket misfires and just happens to land on a hospital that was supposed to be keeping hundreds of Palestinians safe?

@FreeCoathangers also interesting to note how badly the Christians are treated by Israeli settlers and the IDF

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/13/christians-are-in-danger-under-israeli-government-says-holy-land-patriarch

Parking
The link you shared initially shows a recount from Jewish American woman of her experience of Hamas storming the festival and how she survived.
The next story down shares the church with a bit you missed off your copy and paste of the story being

"NBC News has not independently verified that the blast that caused the collapse was from an Israeli strike". Perhaps wait BEFORE blame?

Yep, there was already a Christian genocide in the area

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/02/persecution-driving-christians-out-of-middle-east-report

BTW before you all jump and say oh it must have been Hamas the IDF have said it was them. They apparently were striking nearby and the church ended up being collateral damage

@FreeCoathangers can we atleast agree that it is wrong. Whichever country is doing it

I didn't say it was anyone you decided who did it and shared a story that clearly said it was not verified. It may be it may not. However don't do the Hamas thing and blame everything on the Israelis. Just wait and pause a moment.

Maybe you should read the latest updates before accusing me of blaming incorrectly. The IDF have said it was them. Ofcourse they blame Hamas for hiding in churches or nearby

Of course we can, it seems that some people only care about a certain kind of refugees and not Christian ones. I'm not directing that at you

Maybe you should share the latest update then to make your point for Hamas rather than an early version of story. It would be more helpful would it not?

It can be quite subtle how people's first impressions are formed and we al know how important first impressions really are.

Attached is the front page photo NY Times chose to run with in reporting the Gaza hospital story.

Other attachment is the actual damage at the hospital itself.

Headline frames the first response and too many people don't go on to read the small print which says it's from Khan Younis.

That's how subtle it can be with the media and why Israel has called it a blood libel. Following the early media reports, there's been attacks in various places around the world including the attack on a synagogue in Tunisia.

A dangerous situation made worse by irresponsible media reporting running with what Gaza Health Ministry claims which is actually Hamas themselves.

Mad.

Before this, Financial Times had a good article on the problem.

@FebruaryOnMyMind
How convenient of them. As always we were targeting hamas but got the church by 'mistake' is their version

@DownNative I'd call that about as subtle as a brick really! The NYT is in business quite a while now. It's not as if they don't know the important of huge front page picture combined with huge front page headline.

Indeed.
Sadly that story lead to uprising in further hatred towards Jewish people. People appear to still believe it was Israel. The showing of actual damage to a car park and not a hospital makes no difference to them.

In other news in the west bank another 5 children killed. According to the Israeli military they were targeting 'terrorists' absolutely horrendous.

It is really sad that Hamas cowards hide behind their own people and their own children. They don't consider them at all. Merely pawns in their hatred towards Israel.

Ah yes Hamas was hiding in the church

@FebruaryOnMyMind You know what I find incredulous about you? Is that you will jump on any post that is directed towards Hamas but many times when you are shown any crimes of the Israeli Army you will choose to conveniently ignore it. Or find an excuse for it.

The church wasn't the target.
Sadly the wall of the church was near the target of Hamas terrorists.

That's the IDF version. Still waiting to be independently verified.

By whom? Hamas? Yes, definitely a reliable source.

I get the feeling that any large loss of civilian life be because Hamas fighters just happened to be nearby. 😩

@Parkingt111
have you heard of that famous Hamas saying "After Saturday comes Sunday"
You figure out what they mean by it.

What are you talking about? You aren't making any sense. Do you know what it means to independently verify?

Since the IDF and Hamas have a track record for lying and have been very publicly caught out before, independent sources are what the poster is referring to, one would assume. For example, BBC Verify.

And that surprises you because....?
Israel is going after Hamas. Hamas cynically use ciiliian populaiton and infrastructure for their own aims. They don't care. Like with the missile and likely having hid munions in the hospital grounds. It's not exactly a secret.