Please restore my faith in humanity..Israel?

[Bakensmile]

I don’t view Hamas as humans, they are pure evil.

However I am astonished at the atrocities Israel are committing and getting away with, I want to believe they are good and just defending themselves but it’s getting harder to do that. I have some questions if anyone could answer, I would be grateful. Before this gets deleted as that’s probably inevitable as mumsnet doesn’t like anyone questioning Israel.

Over 1,000 children have been killed since this all began. Why are Palestinian children’s lives not viewed as important as Israelis?

To the people who say Israel need to destroy Hamas. If Hamas had underground tunnels within Israel. Underneath Israeli homes, hospitals. Would you support the dropping of bombs and view the killing of innocent Israeli civilians as collateral damage and an unavoidable tragedy? Or do you think Israel, who has arguably the most efficient intelligence in the world, would find another way to obliterate them?

The UK and US wrongfully invaded Iraq killing thousands of civilians, some members of the army were raping women and in one case burnt a child alive. If at that time, Iraq had decided to bomb the UK killing thousands of civilians as a way to defend themselves, would you also support that?

The most recent tragedy last night at the hospital. Israel immediately took responsibility and were quite proud they had ‘killed terrorists’. They then deleted this tweet and backtracked saying it was Hamas, releasing audio between two members as ‘proof’.

How can they intercept phone calls between terrorists but failed to see the initial attack and massacre of innocent israelis coming? How is this considered as proof? The two people talking could be anyone.

Why would they claim responsibility if it was nothing to do with them?

What are the chances that a rocket misfires and just happens to land on a hospital that was supposed to be keeping hundreds of Palestinians safe?

I am also stunned. The attempts by the international community to paint what Israel is doing in Gaza as justified is astonishing to me. I've seen videos of a one week old baby with burns on his face from Israeli strikes, a father carrying the LIMBS of his children. I watched a doctor on shift, identify his own 6 year old son in the hospital morgue. Anyone who thinks this is in some way proportional is deluded at best, inhumane at worst.

Those defending Israels actions seem to act as though this conflict began two weeks ago and conveniently forget the last 80 or so years.

Unfortunately this will happen again in a few years as it always does.

So so sad, my heart hurts for the population of Gaza, many of them children.

Another day ...

I just feel like both sides are itching for a massive war and nothing is going to stop that 🤷‍♀️

Zap

Its heartbreaking. Israel is an apartheid state, palestinians have less rights, wages, justice than their israeli counterparts. The world has accepted palestinian lives are less important that is why this has allowed to happen, to answer your question ‘no’ under any of the circumstances you described would the international community find your scenarios acceptable.

There are some fantastic commentators, on MN on this issue. Those who are balanced and informative; you can tell who really know their stuff.

Then you get the emotive knee jerkers, who are responsible for getting these threads deleted. It's seen on this OP and always starts with Hamas are despicable but..

come the night shift and wait for the deletion.

The hospital wasn't directly hit, the car park was hit. Surely if it was Israel they would've hit the actual target

Israel are saying they didn't do the hit and that Hamas caused it with a rocket that was misfired or something like this. I don't believe them.

Their rockets misfiring is not unusual though. A quick Google would convince you of that.

Why don't you believe them?

Over 500 people including children were killed. I don't think they missed their target.

I think it's becoming evident this morning that claims that the hospital was blown up and 500 were killed are not accurate.

I wish people would wait for verification of facts before jumping to conclusions (and that applies to both sides).

Sadly, I think a lot of people are just going to believe what they want to believe. You can see it on this thread, for example.

Plus Hamas don't have bombs they have rockets. The accuracy of hitting the people sheltering tells it all. What a strange coincidence it would be for a misfired rocket to accurately kill 500 people in a specific location.

Palestinians living as Israeli citizens have equal rights, the third largest political party and on top of that the freedoms of a liberal democracy including equal marriage which would quite clearly not be available to them under certain other regimes. Israel is not an apartheid state.

Apartheid, blah blah, blah. Why should one care for emotive nonsense like this?

The Israeli government have been committing atrocities for years, unfortunately I don't think your faith will ever be restored by their actions.
The blame for the specific hospital attack, however, has not been verified as either the actions of Hamas or the IDF at this point.

@ChickenNugget6
Seeing as it wasn't Israel who did it, it's ridiculous to blame them.

You clearly will keep blaming Israel no matter what evidence is provided. That kind of behaviour is what personally makes me despair for humanity - their willingness to believe terrorists over anyone else.

There was no verification of 40 babies being beheaded and still there isn't (IDF Have said they can't confirm this happened) but look at the turmoil that has resulted because of that statement. It never happened and now the media aren't talking about it. The same will happen with this, by the time they verify it, it will be old news.

Well, you've no 'humanity' yourself. Right there you say a group of humans are pure evil. It's the ability of people to reject others humanity that is why there is no humanity no compassion no shared hope. Hopefully humans will soon be done with. Humanity = selfish, blood thirsty that's all it ever is or was.

I'm getting more amazed at the high level knowledge of military weaponry and precision, from those who've nevered fired a gun, launched a missile or stood on the front line in general. That and the I don't believe them lot. If it wasn't so serious. It would be entertaining.

There is pretty strong evidence from several sources for the misfiring. It was broadcast live on al-Jazeera (who have removed the attribution to Israel from their headlines). There are huge numbers of images of the event, which shows a large fire in the hospital car park consistent with burning rocket fuel and petrol from cars (look at similar images of fires after Hamas rockets land in Israel) but very little damage inside the hospital (for example, windows fairly near were not damaged).

Many of those trying to villanise Israel seem to think history began in 1948 and ignore the prior 3000 years of persecution that the Jews have faced!

All of the deaths of innocent people are terrible. However, when Hamas invaded Israel and tied up children and burned them alive it turned into full blown war. I really can’t conceive how else Israel was supposed to react to terrorists who have announced that they want to ultimately get rid of Israel and create an Islamic state from the river to the sea.

yes Israeli intelligence is amazing but as the adage goes the terrorists only have to be lucky once Israel has to be lucky all the time. Hamas had the opportunity to return hostages.

it’s looking increasingly likely the hospital was destroyed accidentally by friendly fire based on independent analysis of the site. - remember you are dealing with terrorist organisations here.

There are no winners in war, on any side. But the Islamic world needs to start cleaning up the act of some of these states. There are still too many states trying to conquer and rule in the name of Islam much in the same way as Christendom did 1000 years ago where we saw things like the Albergensian crusades.

We need to learn to live side by side. Terrorism should never be tolerated.

You mean, the IDF? I don't think every single one is Jewish, plus the atrocities committed are not by Jews and Muslims, but the IDF/Israeli government and Hamas.