Please restore my faith in humanity..Israel?

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I don’t view Hamas as humans, they are pure evil.

However I am astonished at the atrocities Israel are committing and getting away with, I want to believe they are good and just defending themselves but it’s getting harder to do that. I have some questions if anyone could answer, I would be grateful. Before this gets deleted as that’s probably inevitable as mumsnet doesn’t like anyone questioning Israel.

Over 1,000 children have been killed since this all began. Why are Palestinian children’s lives not viewed as important as Israelis?

To the people who say Israel need to destroy Hamas. If Hamas had underground tunnels within Israel. Underneath Israeli homes, hospitals. Would you support the dropping of bombs and view the killing of innocent Israeli civilians as collateral damage and an unavoidable tragedy? Or do you think Israel, who has arguably the most efficient intelligence in the world, would find another way to obliterate them?

The UK and US wrongfully invaded Iraq killing thousands of civilians, some members of the army were raping women and in one case burnt a child alive. If at that time, Iraq had decided to bomb the UK killing thousands of civilians as a way to defend themselves, would you also support that?

The most recent tragedy last night at the hospital. Israel immediately took responsibility and were quite proud they had ‘killed terrorists’. They then deleted this tweet and backtracked saying it was Hamas, releasing audio between two members as ‘proof’.

How can they intercept phone calls between terrorists but failed to see the initial attack and massacre of innocent israelis coming? How is this considered as proof? The two people talking could be anyone.

Why would they claim responsibility if it was nothing to do with them?

What are the chances that a rocket misfires and just happens to land on a hospital that was supposed to be keeping hundreds of Palestinians safe?

I have a terrible feeling this is all going to get a lot worse before in improves. This whole situation was carefully orchestrated to destabilise the Middle East. We’ve been distracted with people blaming Israel when all along the biggest enemy to those in Gaza is Hamas and those states supporting Hamas. They clearly don’t care about the innocent civilians in Gaza any more than those they tortured and massacred in Israel. Can you imagine the death and destruction of these animals got into Israel again?

But what’s the story they’ve been fed? No doubt they’ve been radicalised? Do they know about burning children alive?

@Maatandosiris Egypt's President also said:

"El-Sissi also said a mass exodus would risk bringing militants into Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula, from where they might launch attacks on Israel, endangering the two countries’ 40-year-old peace treaty."

And:

"El-Sissi warned of an even more destabilizing scenario: the wrecking of Egypt and Israel’s 1979 peace deal. He said that with the presence of Palestinian militants, Sinai “would become a base for attacks on Israel. Israel would have the right to defend itself ... and would strike Egyptian territory.”

“The peace which we have achieved would vanish from our hands,” he said, “all for the sake of the idea of eliminating the Palestinian cause.”"

And argued that:

"....demilitarized Palestinian state had been created long ago in negotiations, there would not be war now."

apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d

So, Egypt, like Israel, also has real security concerns in regards to Hamas.

Like I said in this thread or another, there cannot be a political settlement without a security solution.

From now on, the Palestinians cannot be allowed military grade weapons which they can manufacture themselves in addition to Iran supplying them.

Take the terrorist infrastructure away, Egypt, Israel and Jordan can all relax more.

I've maintained all along the security problem MUST be confronted. Most people ignore this part of the problem. Much of the Palestinian issues is a result of the security problem.

It's fine to press for your cause politically. But NOT fine to do it via terrorism. PIRA were "slow learners" in my own homeland as Seamus Mallon said. PIRA's friends, Hamas are equally "slow learners".

Security is paramount to any deal.

And just like there was a concerted effort to get women and children out of the Ukraine there should be here, yet Egypt and certain other states are not letting them leave.

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Hamas said they have releases two hostages

Egypt put out a statement about this just recently saying they were unfairly blamed. Let me see if I can find it

I would start with letting out women and children who are less likely to be a risk.

@Maatandosiris egypts statement

Israel did not retaliate because the U.S. told them not to and were already amassing the Desert Shield coalition to invade Iraq- so basically it was a don’t respond we are on our way to attack them anyway.

Latest on guardian regarding hostage release
Anybody have anymore information?

Most of the surrounding Muslims states are only really interested in seeing the whole area brought under Islamic control.

This is islamaphobia.
There is no such thing as “Islamic control” just like there is no such thing as “Jewish control” or “Christian control” of world regions.

Is that so though? Iran is ruled by Sharia law. Saudi is too. Surely that is closer Muslim control than say King Charles/Archbishop of Canterbury have over the UK? "There is no such thing as “Islamic control” just like there is no such thing as “Jewish control” or “Christian control” of world regions. "

Al quds hospital in gaza has been told to evacuate immediately
This is unfair and inhumane. There are patients on life support and in critical condition
Moving some of them is almost like a death sentence

I remember recently when my baby was on a ventilator in hospital and had to be transferred to a different hospital. It took hours for the process to happen and so many people and services involved. They had to order in a different ventilator for the ambulance journey as the one the ambulance had wasn't working aswell as it should have. It was a very stressful time and this was just my one baby
This is an impossible situation

So they have a border with Gaza which they can open and let out women and children but they don’t.

I don't know much about the situation there but from their statement they are saying they are not the ones obstructing third party nationals exit

Agreed

It’s not Islamophobia. It’s the stated objective of Hamas to make the area Islamic from the river to the sea. It’s well accepted that some Islamic countries in the region back Hamas in this goal.

Read my comment re the Hamas stated objectives

Why doesn’t Israel stop the collective punishment of shelling and bombing then? It is a violation of international law- so why isn’t the solution for Israel to stop breaking international law governing war?

The result of not having a safe zones in Gaza for civilians is that Gazans must either flee to Egypt or die in Gaza. If Egypt can’t take them in, then the other option is for Israel to set up humanitarian safe zones that they do not bomb/shell/strike.

So who is?

Why don’t Hamas lay down their weapons, hand over all hostages and vow never to attack Israel again.?

Including Israel. No ships with refugees. No ways out via Israel. Israel would be better at spotting a Hamas member sneaking out than Egypt would be. Bombing the Rafah crossing with Egypt to prevent Egypt from allowing anyone out. No airport for planes of refugees. No trains. No busses.

That’s not a prerequisite for Israel to abide by international law.

No they can’t. Israel controls the Rafah crossing by agreement with Egypt. They also bombed it several times to prevent it being opened. Egypt asked Israel to promise not to bomb it again so they could open & repair it to send in humanitarian aid and Israel refused and bombed it again.

Recently humanitarian aid has been agreed after long negotiations. Egypt cannot take 2 million refugees into the sinai desert. It’s a death sentence for the refugees and they do not have the funds to take on Israel’s mess.

Our laws and the laws of all Christian countries are based on Christianity, just like their laws are based on their religion. You cannot pretend our legal system is purely secular.