TTC after chemical pregnancy

[LucyCL]

I had a MC this Jan , 6 weeks and 1 day. Then I had a CP last Tuesday, 4 weeks and 6 days. I finally stopped bleeding today. Two pregnancies and two MCs so far.

I would like to know what your ttc experiences were like after CP. I admit I felt so lost when I saw the line getting fainter and I have been feeling very low and anxious for the last 7 days. However it is not healthy and it is time to be positive! So, I will be trying again this month. That is why I decided to start this thread.

Wow, you are one of the lucky ladies who got a BFP immediately after CP. 💝You must feel like the void in your heart has finally disappeared! After Joleyjojo, you are the second one! It kind gives me hope because it is also true for some people being extra fertile after MCs. This is only the third cycle for me after CP so I am still within 3 months! Hahahaha!
I wish you will have an uneventful pregnancy! Please keep us updated on how you get on! Sending lots of virtual hugs to you!

You are very welcome and I realise I mentioned I have the best ones and I meant the boost ones 😁

Here is what I found:
How Do the Hormones LH and hCG Differ?
Both hCG and LH bind and function through a common hCG/LH receptor. The biggest difference between the two is that the hCG pregnancy hormone has a circulating half-life that is approximately 80-fold longer than that of LH.4 One study refers to hCG as a “super LH produced in pregnancy,” with 80 times the biological activity of LH.1

Because the protein components of hCG and LH look very similar, an ovulation test is unable to distinguish between LH and hCG in your urine. Therefore, the right amount of either hormone in your urine will result in a positive OPK test result.
https://natalist.com/blogs/learn/will-ovulation-tests-detect-if-you-re-pregnant#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20pregnant%2C%20your,tests%20are%20much%20more%20accurate.

A lot of people who got pregnant straight away went on to have a healthy pregnancy (This is what I have read online, so many CP related threads on mumsnet! 😆) I believe this one is going to stick but I suggest you to do a hcg blood test to establish the baseline HCG. Then you do another one after 48 hours to see if it doubles. If it does, then it is likely to be a viable pregnancy if the line keeps getting darker. Good luck!!

If you don't mind, could you tell me the exact names of Zita West products which you are using? Because there are so many of them. Thank you!😃

Thank you for sharing the insight on late ovulation! To be honest, people who ovulated late also went on to have healthy pregnancies (Again, I have read lots of late ovulation related threads online😁). But in my case, a person who has had two MCs, only one month between both, is likely to have "bad quality eggs" because of the hormonal imbalance caused by 2 MCs. This is my guess, anyway.
Your first cycle could be a wonky one or you might get pregnant quickly. It is safe to take it day by day and be cautiously positive and hopeful at the same time. Sending positive vibes to you!!

The third cycle: New cycle and new plan!
I have booked more blood tests.

16/7/24 CD 3
PCOS blood test, AMH test, Fertility Health test

17/7/24 CD 4
Comprehensive blood test

18/7/24 CD5
PCOS scan

It is recommended to do them between CD2 and CD5.
The blood tests which I did previously took place in the second week of the cycle so I want to do them again, only properly this cycle.

I am less worried about my hormone levels for the third cycle but I will once again make sure everything is fine. That is what 2 MCs have done to me.😅Nowadays I get spooked easily when I see my hormone levels fluctuate a lot.😂

However I will probably not do a 7 dpo progesterone test this cycle.

Some supplements to promote ovulation if some of us are curious:

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Zita West products:
Inositol and Folate Supplement - More Readily Absorbed Form of Folic Acid
www.zitawest.com/collections/decided-to-start-trying/products/inositol-and-folate

Kaneka Ubiquinol, Premium CoQ10 Supplement
www.zitawest.com/collections/decided-to-start-trying/products/kaneka-ubiquinol

The 3rd cycle after CP- CD2
My fertile window
Apple Health app: 30/7/24 - 4/8/24
Flo: 28/7/24 - 7/8/24
Premom: 31/7/24 - 5/8/24
OvuSense: 31/7/24 - ?

They have provided me interesting insight but I wonder why Flo has the most fertile days compared to others 🙂

Congratulations @CJ2021! Wishing you all the best.

My period is usually 5 days regularly; but I had some spotting yesterday and I'm lightly bleeding this morning. It's CD7, so a bit unusual for me.

Otherwise nothing to report! @LucyCL I'll re-read all of your great insights later - you're so knowledgeable and dedicated about all this.

Of course, Vitafem premium andcVitafem Boost 2 plus their Omega 3 x

I took Vitafem premium last cycle. Would you recommend Vitafem Boost 2?

Hi, very difficult to say as this is only my second cycle taking it. Started all the ZW after my CP at end of May. Probably worth me mentioning that I am celiac and have a couple of other allergies so I don’t absorb vitamins as well as others might, hence why I decided to take the Boost as well.

Thanks for sharing! I was using PROCEIVE conception and PROCEIVE Conception & Pregnancy Omega 3 before CP then switched to Zita West after it happened.
My cycles after CP have been regular so far, exactly 34 days. I am not sure if Zita West helped or not. Only time will tell.

I think your body is still trying to adjust itself this cycle. My first and second cycles after CP have been exactly 34 days. I bled for 7 days for the 1st one and 5 days for the second one. I normal bleed for 5 days so I expect to bleed for 5 days for the third one. If no BFP this cycle, I reckon you will bleed for 5 days next cycle.
It takes 2- 3 cycles for some of us to return to our normal menstrual cycle.
Thank you! If I find something interesting/useful/insightful, I will share the info here.😀

I bought a book called It starts with the egg last weekend. Some of us might find it useful.
It starts with the egg | BEST TIPS |

Thank you everyone ❤️❤️❤️

I’ll stop posting my updates as I know how difficult that can be to see but know that I’m still checking in on you all xx

😁Although I would definitely be happy to see your future updates on the pregnancy, I totally understand why you want to stop posting updates.

There are some of us who are still experiencing pain/stress after CP here. Personally I am over it now. Nonetheless, I am really happy that my thread has helped you which is really important!
In the future, if I get pregnant, I might want to ask you about pregnancy stuff because I am super certain that pregnancy is a completely strange new world to me! 😆I will have so much to learn!!

Thought of the day - The fertility iceberg
People will never understand what we have been through unless they have experienced TTC themselves.
I can understand why my mum loves me so much because I am her only child, the product of her only viable pregnancy. Nowadays whenever I see a person, I always think of her/him/them as the result of a viable pregnancy. I think every life is a miracle.😅

The 3rd cycle after Cp - CD3
My oral BBT went down to 36.4 which means everything has been reset.
My RHRs of the first week of the second cycle after CP were higher. Does it mean the RHRs of this week are my true RHRs before 2 MCs? That is something to keep in mind in the first week of the fourth cycle after CP if I still don’t get a BFP.

My wrist temperature charts still don’t tell me anything.

Will wait until CD8 to share and compare the charts of RHR and wrist temperature of the first week of both cycles.

This cycle I plan to start testing LH as soon as I stop bleeding. Half way to CD6!

Some of us might find this useful:
My LH and estrogen levels fluctuated a lot during the 1st and 2nd cycles after CP until I got my peaks.
Estrogen plays an important part in the follicular phase. The first estrogen surge will trigger the LH surge 4 days later so you can get your O day.

For this cycle, I have started to drink 1 glass of grapefruit everyday to boost estrogen hence I could ovulate earlier. I will let you know if it works. 😃

Here is what I found:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conception/548854-grapefruit-juice-it-really-does-work

Sending positive vibes to everyone here!💕

Also please drink a lot of water for your body to produce EWCM in the fertile window! Although I drink a lot of tea every day, I am normally dry in my fertile window. I had to use conceive plus to dtd every time for the past cycles. This cycle I will also use preseed and softdisc.
Feeling positive and excited already for this new cycle!

@LucyCL Thank you so much for all your useful info, I'm going to be implementing some of your strategies this cycle. AF arrived for me this morning after 30 day cycle (short cycle for me could be my body resetting after CP) so we are cycle buddies this time! I'm going to order some more supplements tonight too

I can't decide whether to do OPKS this month I'm in two minds, I didn't temp this morning sometimes it stresses me out more than helps 🤔

I am sorry that you are still a part of this not so good girl's club but you are not alone! 😉You could experience heavy bleeding or just normal flow. After doing lots of blood tests, I have learnt the importance of taking supplements, especially after 2 MCs. Things are only get better from here physically for your body. It is good!

It is up to you but if I were you, I would still do OPKs and tempting to understand if my future cycles have been changed completely after CP.

Not doing OPKs and tempting can make you feel lost because you don't know when you ovulate. The cycle length and the O day could be completely different. So, it might even cause you to miss your O day.

Please treat this new cycle as a new exciting journey to understand and reconnect to your body once again.😁